anything to keep up the Rah Rah WAR!

[46zilzal]

Tillman's brother blasts military

By Scott Lindlaw and Erica Werner / Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Pat Tillman's brother accused the military Tuesday of "intentional falsehoods" and "deliberate and careful misrepresentations" in portraying the football star's death in Afghanistan as the result of heroic engagement with the enemy instead of friendly fire.

"We believe this narrative was intended to deceive the family but more importantly the American public," Kevin Tillman told a House Government Reform and Oversight Committee hearing. "Pat's death was clearly the result of fratricide," he said, contending that the military's misstatements amounted to "fraud."

[delayjf]

Is he saying he was murdered??

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by delayjf

Is he saying he was murdered??

No, just that they "make up" stories that make the person (Jessica Lynch was there today as well) larger than life for the P.R.

[Tee]

IMO by using the word "fratricide" Kevin Tillman is saying that his brother was murdered.

[Secretariat]

There's another thread - The Tillman Lies that puts together a great deal of this sad history. A sad day when servicemen are used for PR purposes, espeically ones killed by friendly fire, and the truth withheld from the poor guy's own family. Kevin Tillman has a right to be mad, as does Mary Tillman - Pat's mother. Jessica Lynch's testimony indciated she also seemed befuddled on what the whole PR campaign was about for her.

[JustRalph]

I would suggest anybody who knows anything about firefights and combat tactics........ read the way this thing went down and decide who you think made a mistake. Enough said...........

That being said, The Army obviously didn't handle this well.

[Tom]

Like I give a crap what Tillman's brother thinks.

[kenwoodallpromos]

Both are old news, but why did the Demos not rehash them when Mr. Silver Ster and Purple Heart was running for pres?
I'm sorry- the military should only accept lies when an officer stands to benifit!!

[Snag]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

No, just that they "make up" stories that make the person (Jessica Lynch was there today as well) larger than life for the P.R.

Could it be that the brother is making up stories to fit the present need for "PR"?

Being caught in friendly fire is very easy to do. A coverup is nothing new.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

A sad day when servicemen are used for PR purposes,

Uh, really? Like the casket photos? Like "the grieving mother" Cindy Sheehan? Are these two cases where the left used servicemen for PR purposes?

Did you decry these "sad" acts?

[Tom]

Good point, PA...and how about lies on that side as well..Cindy Shehan caliming that she wanted to meet with Bush, when in fact, she already HAD met with him. The little Ho lied for publicity, then went and made nice with enemies of this country. Nice little stunt. Her son probably rolled over in his grave. How about the cretins who stick peanut ammendments on a bill to support our troops in a war....the dems are playing with thier lives for political gain.

In any event, none of this has anything to do with winning the war, which Dingy Harry now says can be done.....after putting his foot in his mouth. Perhaps Nancy Bin Pelosi can wear a "Palestinean Vest" next time she has tea with the terroists and blow them up!

[Secretariat]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Uh, really? Like the casket photos? Like "the grieving mother" Cindy Sheehan? Are these two cases where the left used servicemen for PR purposes?

Did you decry these "sad" acts?

Significant difference here PA. The casket photos are not made up. They're real. They're not made up. They're just hidden by this administration. They're news. By not showing them, the admisntration is in essence mounting a PR campaign that war's costs are unseen.

As to Cindy Sheehan. Again, a real incident. Her son was killed and she is heartbroken about the unnecessary loss of of her son's life for a cause that has proven to be one giant mistake after another. That's a real story. That's news. Not pretending war has no visible consequences.

As to Tillman, the story told by the adminstration was different because IT WAS NOT THE TRUTH. And they knew it wasn't the truth, but like the orginal reasons for the war, they chose to look the other way rather than tell the Tillman family what really occurred. Tillman's commander knew what happened and so did the guy who held him in his arms when he died, but was told NOT to reveal anything to the family. Talk about a coverup. It's disgusting to use a family and soldier like that for a pro-war PR campaign. and tom, what do you have agaisnt vets like the Tillmans? Both the brother and Pat fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. Don't you support the troops? Well, they were both part of those troops. You're rhetoric without substance when it comes to this.

As to Jessica Lynch. I admire the hell out of this woman for trying to reveal the truth. She knows this was all a PR stunt and has in effect decried the way the truth of her story has been manipulated.

To defend these reprehensible actions by the administration is not supporting the troops....it's distorting the facts for political gain. I'm OK using the heroics of soldiers when they really occurred, but lying about their death to their families and manipulating people about what really happened with their stories is shameful and dishonors all soldiers. But stick with your slogans, but at least try to get the facts right next time rather than lying to soldier's families.

[philsfan07]

[QUOTE=Secretariat]

As to Jessica Lynch. I admire the hell out of this woman for trying to reveal the truth. She knows this was all a PR stunt and has in effect decried the way the truth of her story has been manipulated.

QUOTE]

She didn't seem to decry the $1 million payday she got for the book she wrote about this 'PR nighmarish incident'

She was so devastated by the 'manipulation' of her story that she wrote that very story and got $1 million for it.. Interesting

[delayjf]

Funny how the left "supports the troops" only when it fits their agenda, the only time the "Troops" are even mentioned is when the left can portray US casualties as victims of the war or to invoke the “atrocities” of Abu Ghraib. Any alleged atrocity is giving constant front page coverage.

When was the last time the left or the main stream press had anything positive to say about “The Troops?”

The left has never supported the troops or their mission, but to say otherwise would be political suicide.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

Significant difference here PA.

No, still used for PR.....Cindy was a "news item" everywhere she went, like a traveling circus. She lied about a meeting with Bush and camped outside his ranch for PR only - plain and simple. She HAD her meeting, she wanted PR for her cause.

And why are coffins coming home news? Nobody is kept in the dark about how many died in Iraq - that is the sum total of many newscasts everyday.

PR PR PR PR PR PR PR