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Old 06-25-2019, 09:42 AM   #46
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People are not really street smart about these things. Of course they are trying to get the heat off and maybe he is the fall guy. But that’s how these things go . Much of what people are saying may be true.


But here’s the bottom line. The man runs a multi million dollar operation. They can’t really boot him for nothing. If his lawyer or some of his owners lawyers are saying nothing or doing nothing. That speaks volumes on what happened here. And this may not be the last head to roll. Wait and see if his camp fires back then the “story” may come out. If they do nothing, he was caught.

It’s the same with the wage deal in NY. People were saying Chad was not the only one, like that matters. Guess what, Asmussen just got popped too. Saying others do something is NOT a defense! It makes you look more guilty. When stuff like this goes down...... they go after the biggest fish first. And it doesn’t happen overnight like on TV.
The state or feds may go after the big fish, but racing has always been reluctant. They’ve been more than happy to go after the low/hanging fruit that no one much cares about, but a HOFer who averages racing 2-3 horses every day? Assuming JH is guilty of being cavalier about the health and safety of his horses and their riders, which the evidence shows he is, then this is one of the gutsiest and best things to happen in racing. Maybe a new day is dawning after all.
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Old 06-25-2019, 10:04 AM   #47
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The state or feds may go after the big fish, but racing has always been reluctant. They’ve been more than happy to go after the low/hanging fruit that no one much cares about, but a HOFer who averages racing 2-3 horses every day? Assuming JH is guilty of being cavalier about the health and safety of his horses and their riders, which the evidence shows he is, then this is one of the gutsiest and best things to happen in racing. Maybe a new day is dawning after all.
I agree so now he has been welcomed at two other tracks and they will take care of him. Nudge nudge wink wink.
Until the top tracks can get there act together and follow suit Maybe a new day will appear.
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Old 06-25-2019, 10:05 AM   #48
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This is still a nothing story for 99% of people. I work with a bunch of sports nuts and none of them have even heard about it, nor really care, when I asked if they had any thoughts.
That's because horse racing is a nothing story to 99% of people.
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Old 06-25-2019, 10:37 AM   #49
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That's because horse racing is a nothing story to 99% of people.
I've actually been asked about it by several friends here, probably because it was in the local paper and they know I work in horse racing.
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Old 06-25-2019, 11:39 AM   #50
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Gee, this all makes grand sense...


right down to the implication that Jerry Hollendorfer spent any significant time at all in Ohio.


He once ran one in Tillamook too, wonder if he's ever set foot in the place...?



The clueless on the 'net have for so long decried the trainers who assembled a life-long norm of 8% wins before discovering the good stuff and suddenly began to win at a steady 28% or 32%.

Yet up until now they have always turned their attention away from those who once won steadily at 28-35% who, in time, became 18-25% trainers.

This makes no sense, even for the clueless among you.

We can't all be as savvy as you.
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Old 06-25-2019, 12:58 PM   #51
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My two cents on the situation:

Jerry Hollendorfer made his career running the county fair circuit. I always thought he might not be a true hall of famer as he padded his numbers on the county fair circuit instead of at traditional tracks. That being said, these race tracks used at country fairs would be in worse shape than a regular racetrack due it being used only a few weeks at a time and maintained by a staff of lesser quality less than a full time racetrack. To my knowledge, he never had a problem with horse's breaking down at the county fairs.

Why, all of a sudden is his horses breaking down? Could be the track or it could be he was lucky to avoid after caring poorly for his horses. This could only be discovered by a vet and an examination of his operation from the feed he feeds the horses, etc.

The truth will come out in time.
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Old 06-25-2019, 01:40 PM   #52
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What was the reason Unique Bella was retired ? I would
Prefer to see them retire healthy , not with sesamoid damage .
But thank goodness she’s ok .
Let’s face it Dorf has multiple violations as well . So this will not be allowed
In NY . If it is then Dutrow should be reinstated .
I know most hated him but his horses for the most part were in very good condition as testified by Dr Bramlage as well
And by Angel Cordero .
We wait and see if he comes east and is violation free
He will be fine . Time will tell .

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Old 06-25-2019, 02:48 PM   #53
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A few others, Morey and Hollendorfer. The focus was on lasix and the whip, but the drug policies are helping out. Who is next?

The sad part is that other tracks let these people in and nothing really changes. They are free to do the same thing, but not in California. Wong was booted from New York, but California said you can race here. Maybe he is next, who knows.

Nice if Stonarch would implement the same policies at all their tracks, maybe they have and I missed it.

All in all, what is happening in California is good for the game. The biggest problem is that other tracks will be slow to follow suit, if at all. Funny thing is that the people that wrote The Horse Racing Integrity Act should be making a lot of noise about this and I do not recall a word from them.

Support the new drug policies, they are a needed change.

And for all the stats guys, a question. Have any trainers win percent dropped since Santa Anita reopened?
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Old 06-25-2019, 03:10 PM   #54
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A few others, Morey and Hollendorfer. The focus was on lasix and the whip, but the drug policies are helping out. Who is next?

The sad part is that other tracks let these people in and nothing really changes. They are free to do the same thing, but not in California. Wong was booted from New York, but California said you can race here. Maybe he is next, who knows.

Nice if Stonarch would implement the same policies at all their tracks, maybe they have and I missed it.

All in all, what is happening in California is good for the game. The biggest problem is that other tracks will be slow to follow suit, if at all. Funny thing is that the people that wrote The Horse Racing Integrity Act should be making a lot of noise about this and I do not recall a word from them.

Support the new drug policies, they are a needed change.

And for all the stats guys, a question. Have any trainers win percent dropped since Santa Anita reopened?
Jonathan Wong was booted from New York? I never heard that, he was a protege of California trainer John Martin before going out on his own.

Did find this:

https://rmtcnet.com/barn-search-parx...-report-52617/

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But if he wants to stable and run his horses at the Jersey Shore, Monmouth Park boss Dennis Drazin would have no problem with it.

``Certainly he would be welcome at Monmouth Park,’’ said Drazin, the chairman and CEO of Darby Development LLC, which operates the track.

`All-in-all, it seems to me like Mr. Hollendorfer was not treated properly,’’ Drazin said.


It was really unfair and really uncalled for unless they have evidence I haven’t seen. But it seems a little extreme for them to ask someone of that stature to leave.’

Did he call San Anita for information.?

https://www.app.com/story/sports/hor...ok/3745047002/

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Old 06-25-2019, 04:01 PM   #56
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https://tuesdayshorse.wordpress.com/...orse-to-death/

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My two cents on the situation:

Jerry Hollendorfer made his career running the county fair circuit. I always thought he might not be a true hall of famer as he padded his numbers on the county fair circuit instead of at traditional tracks. That being said, these race tracks used at country fairs would be in worse shape than a regular racetrack due it being used only a few weeks at a time and maintained by a staff of lesser quality less than a full time racetrack. To my knowledge, he never had a problem with horse's breaking down at the county fairs.

Why, all of a sudden is his horses breaking down? Could be the track or it could be he was lucky to avoid after caring poorly for his horses. This could only be discovered by a vet and an examination of his operation from the feed he feeds the horses, etc.

The truth will come out in time.
It isn't all of a sudden.

Again, going back at least 10 years ago when I saw the stats, JH had one of if not the highest DNF rate in the country.
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People are not really street smart about these things. Of course they are trying to get the heat off and maybe he is the fall guy. But that’s how these things go . Much of what people are saying may be true.


But here’s the bottom line. The man runs a multi million dollar operation. They can’t really boot him for nothing. If his lawyer or some of his owners lawyers are saying nothing or doing nothing. That speaks volumes on what happened here. And this may not be the last head to roll. Wait and see if his camp fires back then the “story” may come out. If they do nothing, he was caught.

It’s the same with the wage deal in NY. People were saying Chad was not the only one, like that matters. Guess what, Asmussen just got popped too. Saying others do something is NOT a defense! It makes you look more guilty. When stuff like this goes down...... they go after the biggest fish first. And it doesn’t happen overnight like on TV.
Here's where I think you're wrong, and I think the general horse racing community is wrong.

I believe (not certain) that obtaining stalls at a track is not a "right" but rather more of an invitation and that the track can deny stalls for any reason. Just like a casino can walk you to the door without any reason, I think the track can do this, too.

If I'm right, this clause should be implemented over and over with trainers who appear to be winning with an edge. If I owned the track, I would have a board that reviewed every trainer who applied for stalls. I would look at win% and dramatic move-ups off claims, and other evidence that cheapens the product. It's pretty easy to spot the trainers who are winning uncharacteristically out of the norm without the stock that would indicate such. A vote would ensue and the main culprits would not be invited back. Simple as that.

I know the track typically is shooting themselves in the foot by this practice as it would turn away the very lifeline they are dependent upon....horses. But if enough of these tracks worked in this fashion, you'd at least be able to purge the obvious dirt. The more tracks that sign on, the reduced destinations for these bad apples. And these bad apples are singlehandedly destroying the game. I doubt there is one person that thinks Maximum Security wins the Derby without Jason Servis involved.
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I don't think that tracks have carte blanche rights to deny stalls. I think the reasoning is negotiated with the local horsemens groups and put in contract. Probably 7 or 8 years ago, Arlington tried to insert something in the contract that stated they could remove stalls based on whether the trainer was training there and running entries out of state (there was a period where CBY and IND we're offering purses that dwarfed AP's). The horsemen wouldn't sign on to it and they ran 3 horse races on opening weekend until the horsemen and AP could come to agreement
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