angle players

[bugboy]

my question is. how many angles does your selection must have.
ex: my selection must have best late pace+highest class+early speed.
if all 3 or if you have 5 angles and they must have all 5..
wondering , how many angles must your horse have?
thanks for any responses.

[bugboy]

i see there are 70 views and no comments
i.m not looking to find out
what you r angles are, just how many angles do you use for your selection.

[lamboguy]

everyone uses whatever they have in their arsenal to evaluate the chances of the runners they pick. you may feel that a trainer excels at taking horses off a layoff, run 2 routes, then one sprint and then back to route and wins at a high percentage with that angle. that's all fine and good. everyone has these statistics, so i have no idea how you plan on making money with them.

[castaway01]

Originally Posted by bugboy

my question is. how many angles does your selection must have.
ex: my selection must have best late pace+highest class+early speed.
if all 3 or if you have 5 angles and they must have all 5..
wondering , how many angles must your horse have?
thanks for any responses.

I didn't really understand your definition of "angles". Is having the most early speed an "angle"? I think of angles as something like turf to dirt, route to sprint, first off the claim, drop in class and jockey switch, etc. etc. etc. That's why I didn't answer. But if it's an angle that is really strong---trainer who wins 30% on the turf off a 6-month or more layoff, let's say---just that angle would get a bet if the price was right. I use other things (like, say, they're using a 2% rider, trainer doesn't win at this track, horse hates the course) to disqualify that first strong angle.

[bugboy]

thanks guys, i appreciate your responses.

[Flashbackdiner]

Usually the less angles the better. BTW one of the most underrated angles in handicapping is the trouble line. Rarely do I hear an on track handicapper mention the trouble lines. The TVG cappers are more granular and pick up on them quite a bit. There are a ton of speed handicappers out there when the focus should be more about pace. Then you have this resident old guy at the local OTB who only bets horses with the name “cat” or “kitten” in them. Man that old guy seems to win a bunch!

[plainolebill]

A man from Socal (I don't remember his name) that sold essays about horse betting said you should have two reasons to bet a horse. Seems reasonable to me. (he wrote those essays before computer handicapping became commonplace)

[Half Smoke]

the link is a summary of what I guess you could call "angles" from William Quirin a very respected handicapping author. I don't necessarily use this verbatim but I appreciate the points he makes:


http://www.brisnet.com/library/softw...t%20Values.pdf

[FakeNameChanged]

Originally Posted by bugboy

my question is. how many angles does your selection must have.
ex: my selection must have best late pace+highest class+early speed.
if all 3 or if you have 5 angles and they must have all 5..
wondering , how many angles must your horse have?
thanks for any responses.

Here's one that Replay Randall gave out on here. Horse is claimed, laid off <100 days, raised in class from where it was claimed. Min. odds, 9/2. No other conditions; distance, surface, tracks, jockeys, etc. While luck always plays a part, the very first one I played was a $40 winner, and several others over the next few weeks. I lowered my plays to 7/2 min. odds. He also told me that it sometimes works better at the beginning of a new meet. If you do a search on PaceAdv. there must be a half-dozen "angles" threads. My problem with angles is if you have enough of them, you wind up playing over half the field in a lot of races.

[jay68802]

Originally Posted by bugboy

my question is. how many angles does your selection must have.
ex: my selection must have best late pace+highest class+early speed.
if all 3 or if you have 5 angles and they must have all 5..
wondering , how many angles must your horse have?
thanks for any responses.

How I see it.

We will call this the Bugboy Angle.

The rules for the Bugboy Angle are as follows.

1. best late pace

2. highest class

3. early speed

Your angle has 2 small problems, you need to define early speed, like has to be top 4 in early speed, and define the minimum odds you can play this angle and still make it profitable.

Angles are great, if the rules for them are well defined. And the more rules you have, the better off you are. Yes, the rules lessen the number of plays you get, but that's what makes them profitable.

[bugboy]

thanks to the members for giving me suggestions.
ya know this ol' man of 77 can use all the help i can get.
even though i only retain about 5%.

again , i thank you guys and ladies.

[jasperson]

Originally Posted by jay68802

How I see it.

We will call this the Bugboy Angle.

The rules for the Bugboy Angle are as follows.

1. best late pace

2. highest class

3. early speed

Your angle has 2 small problems, you need to define early speed, like has to be top 4 in early speed, and define the minimum odds you can play this angle and still make it profitable.

Angles are great, if the rules for them are well defined. And the more rules you have, the better off you are. Yes, the rules lessen the number of plays you get, but that's what makes them profitable.

My good friend has these rules and he does quite well. He downloads every track for that days racing and applies these rules
No turf. no maidens no 5f,5.5f,7f and routes 9f and over.
no 2yr old, no stakes. no claiming under $10k
must be top speed and top class
If a sprint race he must be in the top 2 in early speed
Needless to say he doesn't get many plays.

[Robert Fischer]

Give me 1 really solid angle + >4/1


on multiple angles - If you do have 2,3,4... angles that you happen to see, then my rule is that the Big Angles should be moving in the same direction.

You don't want to be making 'tradeoffs' where one angle helps, and another important angle hurts.

PRICE + GOOD ANGLE

[NorCalGreg]

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Let's call this one "Bug Boy Angle 2" The rules are posted--the track is today @ Arizona Downs 7th race.


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[plainolebill]

Originally Posted by bugboy

thanks to the members for giving me suggestions.
ya know this ol' man of 77 can use all the help i can get.
even though i only retain about 5%.

again , i thank you guys and ladies.

I'm 76, that's the reason I don't remember the name of the guy who wrote the essays and letters.