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12-18-2019, 03:38 PM
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Location: Dark Side of the Moon
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Originally Posted by cj
Even if it is, this isn't something where stats are going to matter much. We can't afford outliers 8x the national average.
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The problem is that these can happen without larger sample sizes, didnt pletcher lose like 4 or 5 in one meet to on and off track issues a while back at Saratoga?
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12-18-2019, 03:53 PM
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#332
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
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Originally Posted by GMB@BP
The problem is that these can happen without larger sample sizes, didnt pletcher lose like 4 or 5 in one meet to on and off track issues a while back at Saratoga?
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Yes, but there was very little social media back then. That is the difference.
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12-18-2019, 05:29 PM
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#333
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 313
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Originally Posted by cj
Even if it is, this isn't something where stats are going to matter much. We can't afford outliers 8x the national average.
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Not much is going to matter to the forces trying to ban racing. I was curious to see his recent history regarding breakdowns.
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12-18-2019, 05:30 PM
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#334
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Join Date: Aug 2016
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
So it's really, really easy for baseball fans to get extremely mad at Barry Bonds. Keep him out of the Hall of Fame! Don't applaud his home run record! Boo him if he shows up at your ballpark! Because Bonds is a perfect villain- he always had a surly personality, he comes off as egotistical, he had a distant relationship with fans, etc.
But baseball fans are often very forgiving of Mark McGwire
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That is a moronic example.
Mark McGwire never even played baseball when steroids were against the rules.
Bonds played, broke the rules, and then lied about it.
... forgetting the fact that you could add Bonds and Henry Aaron together and find a single 50+ home run season between them.
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12-18-2019, 08:52 PM
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Join Date: May 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
The problem is that these can happen without larger sample sizes, didnt pletcher lose like 4 or 5 in one meet to on and off track issues a while back at Saratoga?
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Three horses, Warners, Left Bank, and Freedom's Daughter, all died shortly after extremely impressive wins. Left Bank's was over Street Cry in the Whitney. I believe the reason given was Colitis X, but you would have to look it up.
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12-18-2019, 09:43 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AskinHaskin
That is a moronic example.
Mark McGwire never even played baseball when steroids were against the rules.
Bonds played, broke the rules, and then lied about it.
... forgetting the fact that you could add Bonds and Henry Aaron together and find a single 50+ home run season between them.
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Steroids actually were against the rules.
Baseball didn't test for them, but they were against the rules, which is why players denies using them.
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12-19-2019, 08:57 AM
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#337
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
Steroids actually were against the rules.
Baseball didn't test for them, but they were against the rules, which is why players denies using them.
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McGwire used Androstenedione, which was NOT banned by baseball until 2004.
Ergo, he never played when what he used was against the rules.
There's the difference between he and Bonds and their respective reputations.
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12-19-2019, 10:07 AM
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#338
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Join Date: Aug 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AskinHaskin
McGwire used Androstenedione, which was NOT banned by baseball until 2004.
Ergo, he never played when what he used was against the rules.
There's the difference between he and Bonds and their respective reputations.
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McGwire didn't just use Andro, which was legal.
He also admitted later, after years of denying, that he used steroids, which weren't. You don't know the history, apparently.
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12-19-2019, 12:45 PM
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Nebraska
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AskinHaskin
McGwire used Androstenedione, which was NOT banned by baseball until 2004.
Ergo, he never played when what he used was against the rules.
There's the difference between he and Bonds and their respective reputations.
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There is no difference between them, the both used PED's.
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12-28-2019, 12:27 AM
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What happened with the latest appeal on Dec 24 ???
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12-28-2019, 12:32 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Nebraska
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Originally Posted by SandyW
What happened with the latest appeal on Dec 24 ???
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Pretty sure he lost it. Don is listed as the trainer in the 2nd for Brill.
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12-28-2019, 01:23 AM
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Just another Facist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Now in Houston
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
McGwire didn't just use Andro, which was legal.
He also admitted later, after years of denying, that he used steroids, which weren't. You don't know the history, apparently.
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I got to see McGuire up close during his HR battle with Sosa, whatever year that was, and it was absolutely stunning to see his forearms. I don’t know what the hell he was using but the word un-natural comes to mind.
He looked like a Clydesdale .......everybody who got a close look knew he was using something.
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