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Old 08-30-2018, 01:05 AM   #46
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Old 08-30-2018, 01:14 AM   #47
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Lost by most Trumpbots is that tariffs are simply a consumption tax charged to Americans.
Somebody gets it.
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Old 08-30-2018, 01:18 AM   #48
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The Trump admin has created a process whereby companies that use aluminum can apply for an exclusion from the tariffs. The Trump administration will then decide which companies have to pay the tariffs and which do not.

There will be nothing political in those decisions.
It's a good thing that no one involved with Doofus Drumph would even think of engaging in dishonest activity just to line their pockets at the public's expense.
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Old 08-30-2018, 09:35 AM   #49
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Then the decision to build the new mill had nothing to do with Trump's tariff implementation policy. Presumably such a mill would be competitive even without tariffs. So Trump should get no credit for this.


Maybe you could get away with this kind of thing years ago, but profit margins are much thinner and supply chains are much tighter these days. If your competitors are buying raw materials at the cheapest possible prices and you are paying a premium to buy American, you'd soon be out of business.


This is just dumb, Tom, and you know it.
What does this comment even mean?
It's just gibberish.
What didn't you just admit you have nothing interesting or insightful to say about my "long post"?


That's a disappointing perspective to take on an issue like this.
A lot of investigation and careful consideration might have gone the decision to construct the new mill.
But I can assure you that NO investigation and NO careful consideration went into Dumbo Drumph's knee-jerk decision to start tariff wars.
And that's what I was criticizing.
Try to keep up here, Tom.
The bottom line:
550 jobs for Americans
Lowest cost aluminum plant = efficiency
7 years of production already sold
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Old 08-30-2018, 10:39 AM   #50
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Somebody gets it.
Its common knowledge to anyone who understands economics. Its all been discussed at length. I've linked the Milton Friedman video here multiple times and nobody who supports this action is willing to touch it. He actually talked specifically about the visible vs. invisible effects of tariffs.

The video below describes it succinctly even using the Steel industry and at the time the Evil Japanese.

Visible effects of tariffs:
Aluminum and Steel Mills opening.

Invisible effects of tariffs:
Missouri Nail company shuttering.
Electronics company in North Carolina.
Harley Davidson moving production overseas.
Agriculture bailouts.


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Old 08-30-2018, 10:43 AM   #51
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It's a good thing that no one involved with Doofus Drumph would even think of engaging in dishonest activity just to line their pockets at the public's expense.
If you follow the Trump signs Tariffs thread you'll actually see the position of Trump supporters and how it morphs from:

Tariffs will bring the jobs back and free trade is bad.

Or:

Other countries tax their citizens for buying foreign made goods so we should too! (This is the dumbest one)

To:

Tariffs are a tool to create even freer trade.

The President's position has also morphed on the issue and is largely incoherent.

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Old 08-30-2018, 11:37 AM   #52
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Old 08-30-2018, 11:40 AM   #53
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Its common knowledge to anyone who understands economics.
... and yet, here you are still posting about things you know nothing about. Every single economic ying has an economic yang. An endless number of yings and yangs I might add. Raising barriers certainly adds costs and can cost jobs, but there are MANY other things that are affected as well, both short and long term. I tend to be a long term thinker, so I see overall value in what Trump is doing from that perspective. You obviously take a shorter term approach (nothing wrong with that), but that doesn't mean either of us are wrong. Why you need to call me and others wrong when we simply don't believe in your personal value proposition is beyond me.
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They need to move to central Nebraska. I listen to 3 different radio stations and they have a total of 18 different companies advertising for full time openings.
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Old 08-30-2018, 11:53 AM   #55
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... and yet, here you are still posting about things you know nothing about. Every single economic ying has an economic yang. An endless number of yings and yangs I might add. Raising barriers certainly adds costs and can cost jobs, but there are MANY other things that are affected as well, both short and long term. I tend to be a long term thinker, so I see overall value in what Trump is doing from that perspective. You obviously take a shorter term approach (nothing wrong with that), but that doesn't mean either of us are wrong. Why you need to call me and others wrong when we simply don't believe in your personal value proposition is beyond me.
Because no one has bothered to point out any long-term positives.

Completely free trade would accelerate not decelerate the trade deficit. In the interim Tariffs prop up industries that aren't competitive in the global market and eventually that shoe needs to drop.

Are the Steel and Aluminum Tariffs going to be permanent and never-ending?

If yes... then we are sending workers to a industry that isn't competitive on the global market at the expense of industries that are competitive.

If no... then we are funneling workers into jobs that the second the government stops protecting they will lose.

Government interference is bad... pointblankperiod.

You talk about the ying and yang... we've been saying this the entire time... but when a steel/aluminum mill opens up supporters of this policy are the first to chime in... that's short term thinking.

But when Harley Davidson decides to move, a nail factory lays off workers, and a electronics company shuts down... well to hell with them.

Meanwhile the cost of living in the United States goes up due to government policy.
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Meanwhile the cost of living in the United States goes up due to government policy.
Can I see that?
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There has been three big changes in this economy that renders past analysis of tariffs obsolete.

*Tax cuts on both consumers and businesses....huge tax cuts
*Many business stifling regulations has been repealed with more to come
*USA is on the verge of becoming an energy producer instead of a
consumers
last but certainly not the least.....I believe in America and our citizens, regardless of what the New Democrat Party does to tear us apart.
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Can I see that?
We've cited examples of this from home prices to Coca-Cola to cars to kegs to nails and these are only direct results of the steel and aluminum tariffs.

Nothing else.
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There has been three big changes in this economy that renders past analysis of tariffs obsolete.

*Tax cuts on both consumers and businesses....huge tax cuts
*Many business stifling regulations has been repealed with more to come
*USA is on the verge of becoming an energy producer instead of a
consumers
last but certainly not the least.....I believe in America and our citizens, regardless of what the New Democrat Party does to tear us apart.
None of these render past analysis of tariffs obsolete.

Tariffs are still bad.
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None of these render past analysis of tariffs obsolete.

Tariffs are still bad.


Only if you don't recognize the end results.....if you stop the Trump Hate you might be able to see past your nose.
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