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boomman · 03-12-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by thaskalos

Boomer

You state that race tracks are listening to the horseplayers and they do give them what they want...and then you offer as proof Yavapai, River Downs, Portland Meadows and Canterbury. Aren't you excluding some tracks? What happened to the other ones?

I'm just including track folks that I know well, and answered your question about others not following my lead, not excluding anyone........

Boomer

InsideThePylons-MW · 03-12-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by boomman

OK Genius: I read ONE of your posts after all this time (you've been on my special iggy list for a very long time along with EXACTLY 2 others on here out of all the PA posters),

but I'm sure you knew you were on my"IGGY". The point was: they have gone from less than 300 participants (you happy now?) to over 6000 each year through this marketing! I didn't bother to google the exact numbers like you did, so EXCUUUUUSE me! I would really cherish the chance to compare my poker knowledge with yours, but you're not worth the effort! Back to the "IGGY" closet you go! Goodbye!

Boomer

Just hilarious.

The reason I knew was because I was a participant and not a know-it-all expert like you who actually knows nothing.

I'm sure others on this board who know me are laughing out loud at you wanting to compare your poker knowledge with mine.

Robert Goren · 03-12-2010, 04:53 PM

The last time WSOP main event had fewer than a 100 was 1983. It had fewer than a thousand in 2003 when Moneymaker won. It had 6,494 last year. It was last part of 57 event festival.

Greyfox · 03-12-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Goren

The last time WSOP main event had fewer than a 100 was 1983. It had fewer than a thousand in 2003 when Moneymaker won. It had 6,494 last year. It was last part of 57 event festival.

Right. But the point is that it has multiplied interest 60 or so times in 27 years.
Horse racing has not done that. That was Boomer's point.

thaskalos · 03-12-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by InsideThePylons-MW

A Band-Aid is better than another bullet hole.

How is never raising takeout a Band-Aid?

You say never raise the take. Who is going to listen to you...the racetracks? The politicians? With diclining revenues from the sagging mutual handle the takeout is sure to go up. Don't you read the news? In California and Kentucky it is happening as we speak. In Turf Paradise, that the "pro" you mention in your example is trying to make a living, The WIN take is 20%. Tracks with thriving slot businesses have some of the highest takes around.

I also say never raise the takeout. I have said it for 30 years. But it happens anyway. And the horseplayers don't profit in the least...and neither does the game.

boomman · 03-12-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyfox

You're right if you take Boomer literally.
I don't know that he meant to be taken that way.
With over 7300 contestants last year though, he still makes a very valid point.

Thanks and Absolutely right Fox!

The point was of course, (to spell it out to some) was the GIANT growth that it has enjoyed, not the EXACT numbers

Boomer

Charlie D · 03-12-2010, 05:02 PM

How many entrants are there in the National Handicapping Championship??

Horseplayersbet.com · 03-12-2010, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thaskalos

I have a question for you... how can you run an online betting site and at the same time compare a handicapping tournament to a lottery?

Sorry, I was thinking in terms of a national lottery based on race results. Sorry for the confusion.
But I still think the tourney needs to be funded by the participants. Shouldn't be a problem either. Give 100% back, and if that isn't enough, let the tracks fund it from their cut, or from slots monies.

InsideThePylons-MW · 03-12-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by boomman

Thanks and Absolutely right Fox!

The point was of course, (to spell it out to some) was the GIANT growth that it has enjoyed, not the EXACT numbers

Boomer

So it's OK to make up numbers out of thin air that are wrong to support a point you are trying to make.

Let's see......

Yavapai is a crap track as it handles an avg of less than $100K per day.

I guess you would have no problem with that.

If you corrected me and said it's almost $300K per day I guess it would be OK to say that under $100K or almost $300K per day....what's the difference....it's still a crap track with no handle.

Is that OK?

thaskalos · 03-12-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie D

How many entrants are there in the National Handicapping Championship??

Charlie, poker in the US was small potatoes until an amateur named Chris Moneymaker beat the pros and became a millionaire. Then the game's popularity exlpoded. Horse racing needs the kind of exposure that only a multi-million dollar prize can provide. How you come up with the money is for the powers-that-be to come up with. It worked for poker - even something as rediculous as the lotto thrived as a result of the huge prizes. It can work for horseracing too. If the prizes are not life changing, forget it.

Greyfox · 03-12-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by InsideThePylons-MW

So it's OK to make up numbers out of thin air that are wrong to support a point you are trying to make.

Yes. Exactly 53.27 % of all statistics are made up out of one's head.

johnhannibalsmith · 03-12-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by InsideThePylons-MW

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Is that OK?

No, because there are weiner dog races every summer with a guy dressed up in a hot-dog outfit and that alone defies "crappy" as an applicable description.

Charlie D · 03-12-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thaskalos

Charlie, poker in the US was small potatoes until an amateur named Chris Moneymaker beat the pros and became a millionaire. Then the game's popularity exlpoded. Horse racing needs the kind of exposure that only a multi-million dollar prize can provide. How you come up with the money is for the powers-that-be to come up with. It worked for poker - even something as rediculous as the lotto thrived as a result of the huge prizes. It can work for horseracing too. If the prizes are not life changing, forget it.

This is kind of what i was leading to thaskalos

I see poler tourneys on my TV all time, but i don't see anything like NHC contests being shown

Racing industry needs to put up some nice pots, get these tourneys on tv and get some exposure just like poker has.

Horseplayersbet.com · 03-12-2010, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyfox

Yes. Exactly 53.27 % of all statistics are made up out of one's head.

"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything,� Kent. 14% of people know that."

-Homer J. Simpson

Horseplayersbet.com · 03-12-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie D

This is kind of what i was leading to thaskalos

I see poler tourneys on my TV all time, but i don't see anything like NHC contests being shown

Racing industry needs to put up some nice pots, get these tourneys on tv and get some exposure just like poker has.

Good idea, but you need viewers. I was thinking they need to make it like poker.

Have the players sit around the table and bid for horses to bet.

The one horse is bid on first, and so on. The winning bidder for each horse has to bet the winning bid on the horse to win.