Stephon Clark

[Tom]

Minutes after the shooting, as more officers arrive on the scene, a voice is heard saying, "Hey, mute," and the audio on the body camera cuts off.

Screams "cover up" to me.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Getting shot after "only" breaking a window is a really bad beat. I have the sense that holding anything in your hand at night with cops bearing down on you isn't going to end well. In the dark anything can be mistaken for a gun.

[PaceAdvantage]

BTW, has anyone ever known a cop that WANTED to shoot his gun and kill someone?

I haven't...and my grandfather and uncle were both NYPD...

Shooting someone, besides the obvious, is not something a cop wants to do....

[HalvOnHorseracing]

It's a strange time. Instead of being seen as guardians of peace, in many neighborhoods the cops are seen as an invading army.

[Inner Dirt]

It seems most of you are ignoring the fact he was running from the cops, through the neighborhood, in the dark trespassing on other people's property. That is what the infrared video from the police helicopter shows. It seems most people these days want the cops to risk their lives to save the lives of criminals and only fire their weapons if shot at first. What has the world come to?

[Tom]

It has come to a point where 1 guy is a threat to a platoon of cops, so they can fire as many rounds as possible into him.
And then turn off their cameras and mics to cover up the rest of of the story.

I think one single guy took down Pablo Escobar.
Was this kid more of a threat than Pablo?

[kingfin66]

Police officers have to make split second decisions that are often life or death. In my opinion, they should never have to do this. People need to listen to commands and comply with police orders whether they think they are right or not. If police wait to discern whether an item is a phone, gun or just a finger pointing at them, that may be the difference between life and death. Police need to be able to go home. Every time.

[Tom]

We all need to go home at night.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Tom

It has come to a point where 1 guy is a threat to a platoon of cops, so they can fire as many rounds as possible into him.
And then turn off their cameras and mics to cover up the rest of of the story.

I think one single guy took down Pablo Escobar.
Was this kid more of a threat than Pablo?

Any cops who are seen turning off their cameras on the scene of a shooting should be automatically presumed to be guilty of misconduct...and they should be investigated accordingly. In no way do they deserve the "benefit of the doubt".

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Any cops who are seen turning off their cameras on the scene of a shooting should be automatically presumed to be guilty of misconduct...and they should be investigated accordingly. In no way do they deserve the "benefit of the doubt".

They have 5th amendment rights that they can invoke anytime they want. That’s the only argument I can see for it. It’s puzzling in this case

[lansdale]

Originally Posted by cj

No thread on this yet or am I missing it?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/22/us/sa...ing/index.html

I'm not one for much off topics, but man, this stuff has got to stop.

I assume this is the CNN video that was linked as part of cj's post -- however, every time I tried to play it, it crashed -- probably getting heavy play on CNN. So I'm posting link below:

Looks like an extrajudicial execution. The first cop yells 'show me your hands', and then, instanty, 'Gun', and shoots twenty rounds into the victim, fifteen after he's already on the ground. Note that the two cops still fear assault with a deadly IPhone even after the victim is down and not moving. The cops never identified themselves, and the victim was in his grandmother's driveway. These guys going graybar -- and believe me I have a number of cops and lawyers among family and friends. Like cj, I rarely have posted here, but agree that this issue has gone way over the top.

YouTube

[thaskalos]

IMO...the cops on this video don't belong on the street while carrying weapons. They shoot the guy full of holes...and then they yell at him to SHOW THEM HIS HANDS? The only ones shooting guns were the cops...and yet they ask each other if they are "okay", when the shooting is over? And then the lady cop suggests that the motionless victim might be "pretending"?

IMO...an additional government agency should be deployed to protect the citizens from the cops.

[MutuelClerk]

We need Robo Cop before driverless cars.

[Inner Dirt]

It also appears most are assuming in these situations the cops know immediately how many times the perp was hit by bullets. Wasn't there a recent shootout with cops and a perp where 65 shots were fired and no one was hit?

I have an idea. Don't run around breaking windows, trespassing, and running from the cops in the dark if you want your day to end well. Sick and tired of people acting like the perp has no liability in their demise.

[FantasticDan]

Originally Posted by lansdale

These guys going graybar --

I very much doubt it.