Bonehead Rides

[outofthebox]

Originally Posted by cj

Couldn't he at least use the whip once? I don't think that is too much to ask. I've seen people say it was a prep and what not. The horse had been off two months, not six months or a year.

At the time i understood your beef about the ride. Obvious now that the horse runs without the need of the whip. Brilliant run in the Golden Shaheen under vigorous hand ride.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by SuperPickle

I didn't see the 7th but I bet the horse in the 5th. I've now bet that horse in three of his starts and watched them all. I can tell you the ride had zero to do with the outcome. The horse simply isn't a msw. Dorf will drop him into a claimer now. He had no horse at any point in the race.

I'm assuming you're referencing the rides because once he realized he had no horse he basically showed zero effort? If so all I can say it's never changing with him. That's where we are.

But there's nothing a jockey could have done to change anything. The Baffert was 8-10 lengths the best.

8-10 lengths the best? I don't agree at all. My issue with the Seau ride was he kept the horse bottled up until the horse lost interest and then if you notice the horse picked it up again when he wheeled him out in the stretch. Was he winning, no, but that was a going through the motions ride.

Same story in the feature. Got the horse in tight for no reason and then to put it nicely, didn't put forth much effort once he knew he was beat and lost 3rd by 1/2 length.

[titans1127]

At this point, this is my nomination for bonehead ride of the year

http://www.chroma.premiumtv.co.uk/st...807/index.html

[HuggingTheRail]

Originally Posted by titans1127

At this point, this is my nomination for bonehead ride of the year

http://www.chroma.premiumtv.co.uk/st...807/index.html

poor jock thought he was going to have to rip up his exacta ticket there for a minute

[SG4]

Originally Posted by SuperPickle

I didn't see the 7th but I bet the horse in the 5th. I've now bet that horse in three of his starts and watched them all. I can tell you the ride had zero to do with the outcome. The horse simply isn't a msw. Dorf will drop him into a claimer now. He had no horse at any point in the race.

I'm assuming you're referencing the rides because once he realized he had no horse he basically showed zero effort? If so all I can say it's never changing with him. That's where we are.

But there's nothing a jockey could have done to change anything. The Baffert was 8-10 lengths the best.

I was expecting an aggressive ride on Seau in this race & was very perturbed by the riding tactics in this race & it really was a classic Kent D ride where I was just left looking like this the entire way . If he faces a similar MSW field next out I will find out the hard way if he really isn't MSW quality. I would probably even prefer to see Kent D named back, perhaps because I'm a glutton for punishment.

Also, I can't see this horse going to the claiming ranks anytime soon, especially with that breeding.

[SuperPickle]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

8-10 lengths the best? I don't agree at all. My issue with the Seau ride was he kept the horse bottled up until the horse lost interest and then if you notice the horse picked it up again when he wheeled him out in the stretch. Was he winning, no, but that was a going through the motions ride.

Same story in the feature. Got the horse in tight for no reason and then to put it nicely, didn't put forth much effort once he knew he was beat and lost 3rd by 1/2 length.

You can not agree but I'll sum it up this way. It was bet as a two horse race for 20 minutes. Seau wasn't winning. The Baffert is an enormous horse who seems to take forever to get his stride going. He was in traffic till the eight or the quarter poll. He won by 2-3 lengths and was the only horse finishing at all.

How does he not win by more if he got out earlier? Especially since he was the only one finishing.

[SuperPickle]

Originally Posted by SG4

I was expecting an aggressive ride on Seau in this race & was very perturbed by the riding tactics in this race & it really was a classic Kent D ride where I was just left looking like this the entire way . If he faces a similar MSW field next out I will find out the hard way if he really isn't MSW quality. I would probably even prefer to see Kent D named back, perhaps because I'm a glutton for punishment.

Also, I can't see this horse going to the claiming ranks anytime soon, especially with that breeding.

That was a awful field. It was only 6 horses. One had already raced in a maiden claiming race. Another had beaten three horses in two starts.

The horse that won was an 0-13 Baffert.

If you bet anything in that field in a msw next out you're crazy.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by SuperPickle

You can not agree but I'll sum it up this way. It was bet as a two horse race for 20 minutes. Seau wasn't winning. The Baffert is an enormous horse who seems to take forever to get his stride going. He was in traffic till the eight or the quarter poll. He won by 2-3 lengths and was the only horse finishing at all.

How does he not win by more if he got out earlier? Especially since he was the only one finishing.

The head on tells a better story in terms of the traffic. Uninvited wasn't really in traffic at all. He actually sat a perfect pocket trip and when he was tipped out as they turned for home he didn't have to wait for even a second. He had a totally clear path.

He ran a good race and finally did not hang which speaks to the quality of field as you mentioned....but I'm not sure he was 8-10 lengths best considering he won by 2 with the kind of trip/ride everyone dreams of.

[SG4]

Originally Posted by SuperPickle

That was a awful field. It was only 6 horses. One had already raced in a maiden claiming race. Another had beaten three horses in two starts.

The horse that won was an 0-13 Baffert.

If you bet anything in that field in a msw next out you're crazy.

Well that's why I said I'd bet him back in a similar MSW field, compared to the fields he was facing for the several races before he was a toss every time. I guess if you have a decent maiden 3yo right now on the west coast the in vogue move is to send them to a Derby prep instead of a 2 turn MSW. Trojan Nation last year & so far Sonneteer this year making it look like a smart play.

[SuperPickle]

Originally Posted by SG4

Well that's why I said I'd bet him back in a similar MSW field, compared to the fields he was facing for the several races before he was a toss every time. I guess if you have a decent maiden 3yo right now on the west coast the in vogue move is to send them to a Derby prep instead of a 2 turn MSW. Trojan Nation last year & so far Sonneteer this year making it look like a smart play.

Yeah my hunch is his only shot at an msw win would be Los Al.

However I just realized he's trained by the Dorf. So now I'm thinking he ships him up north for a msw.

Would you be him as a favorite in a golden gate msw?

[WP1981]

Unbiased as I wasn't involved in the finish..but can anyone take a look and tell me what went on with the 10 in race 2 at Remington tonight. It sure looked like he was trying like hell not to get 4th.

Weird. Thought id post since it looked so obvious.

[Dahoss9698]

Didn't bet the race but had I known Jose Ortiz was going to 46 flat for 1 3/8 turf race I wouldve loaded up on the winner in the Orchid Stakes today.

That was a really dumb ride.

[SuperPickle]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

Didn't bet the race but had I known Jose Ortiz was going to 46 flat for 1 3/8 turf race I wouldve loaded up on the winner in the Orchid Stakes today.

That was a really dumb ride.

It wasn't a dumb ride it was a first time Euro who ran off. Happens frequently with Euros.

The interesting thing is it significantly hurt the favorites chances. She had to change that pace.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by SuperPickle

It wasn't a dumb ride it was a first time Euro who ran off. Happens frequently with Euros.

The interesting thing is it significantly hurt the favorites chances. She had to change that pace.

It was dumb to push out of the gate...which he did if you watch the head on. After he gave her the cue out of the gate he was unable to get her relaxed.

[overthehill]

not sure i would exactly call this a bonehead ride but it seemed to me that Bejarano did everything he could do keep his horse from being involved at the finish. seemed all he could do was steady and be stuck the entire stretch behind horses and then when he finally had room he seemed content to hand ride the horse to a 4th place finish. after the horsed look full of run with nowhere to go for a good sixteenth of a mile.. it was the kind of ride I might expect from 10 lb bug boy. It was almost like Bejarano had instruction not to hit the board.