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Old 05-29-2017, 10:28 PM   #346
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Maybe we should just have post parades and warmups and do away with the actual racing part.

Just saddle the horses, parade them in front of the grandstand for a few minutes, let the stewards decide who they think is the best turned out, and pay out purse money and parimutuel payoffs based on that.

No need for tracks to pretend they're actually trying to time the races.

Problem solved if you ask me.



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Old 05-29-2017, 10:50 PM   #347
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Maybe we should just have post parades and warmups and do away with the actual racing part.

Just saddle the horses, parade them in front of the grandstand for a few minutes, let the stewards decide who they think is the best turned out, and pay out purse money and parimutuel payoffs based on that.

No need for tracks to pretend they're actually trying to time the races.

Problem solved if you ask me.



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I checked, the fractions on the replay are 100% spot on. I have no idea what the chart caller was doing there.
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Old 05-29-2017, 11:05 PM   #348
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If you're talking about R8 at TDN on 05-29-2017...

Runup is listed in the chart at 32 feet.

Based on that - and timing from video - which imho is far from ideal because you end up eyeballing/making an educated guess based on camera angle as to the exact moment the leader reaches the poles - I clocked the opening half in 46.60 something -- about 1/5th slower than the 46.40 the replay video shows. (There's also the chance that the video is playing at something other than actual/real life speed.)

That said, I'm willing to accept that the times shown on the video are correct.

I'm thinking it's likely the times are N/A on the current version of the chart because of a data entry error.


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Old 05-29-2017, 11:24 PM   #349
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Ok. Now I see it.

At the very bottom of the comments in the current version of the chart:
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Fractional Times unavailable due to lack of posting.

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Old 05-29-2017, 11:24 PM   #350
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If you're talking about R8 at TDN on 05-29-2017...

Runup is listed in the chart at 32 feet.

Based on that - and timing from video - which imho is far from ideal because you end up eyeballing/making an educated guess based on camera angle as to the exact moment the leader reaches the poles - I clocked the opening half in 46.60 something -- about 1/5th slower than the 46.40 the replay video shows. (There's also the chance that the video is playing at something other than actual/real life speed.)

That said, I'm willing to accept that the times shown on the video are correct.

I'm thinking it's likely the times are N/A on the current version of the chart because of a data entry error.


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There is actually a comment that says "Fractional times unavailable due to lack of posting". Those are manually entered, never seen that one before. Equibase is checking into it.

As for video timing, just an FYI, if you get a good frame of reference from races with times you trust, timing is a lot easier backing up from the finish to the start and checking that way.
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Old 05-29-2017, 11:47 PM   #351
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There is actually a comment that says "Fractional times unavailable due to lack of posting". Those are manually entered, never seen that one before. Equibase is checking into it.

As for video timing, just an FYI, if you get a good frame of reference from races with times you trust, timing is a lot easier backing up from the finish to the start and checking that way.
Re: The bolded part of the above quote-

Thanks for that.

One of the side projects on my to do list is to pick a meet, use video to time the races myself - make my own figs - but with a twist.

Instead of removing runup from the equation: Time it. And work runup time into the figs.

I think doing that might produce some interesting observations.



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Old 05-30-2017, 09:04 AM   #352
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The second call on the 8th at Parx (5/27) is 2 secs off.
The race was hand-timed and the original 1/2 mile fraction in the chart wasn't the hand timed number. This has been corrected and all fractions and the final time confirmed with the official Parx timer. Chart has been updated.
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Old 05-30-2017, 08:45 PM   #353
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Have I missed, or has this topic been pretty much ignored on At the Races?

Seems like a very important side of our game to be ignored in favor of.......whatever.
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Old 06-01-2017, 03:04 PM   #354
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There is no chance IMO the times listed for the 6th at Mountaineer on Tuesday night are accurate.
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Old 06-01-2017, 09:37 PM   #355
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I don't know if there was is something else to explain it, or it was just a VERY poor set of SB maidens, but from what I have seen MNR is actually correct.
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Old 06-01-2017, 10:32 PM   #356
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I don't know if there was is something else to explain it, or it was just a VERY poor set of SB maidens, but from what I have seen MNR is actually correct.
They are certainly not a good group, but this was ridiculously slow. It seems to me like the timer was tripped early.

I finally found a really good way tonight to get horse racing replays in flash video down to my computer. For whatever reason, Roberts protects them like the upcoming season of Game of Thrones or something. But, as my first test I'm going to download and time the 5.5f races from that day and see what I find.

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The AP times (poly) for 6/3 don't fit together very well. Did they do something to the track? When?
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The AP times (poly) for 6/3 don't fit together very well. Did they do something to the track? When?
I see this fairly often there in my opinion.
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Old 06-04-2017, 01:45 PM   #359
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The AP times (poly) for 6/3 don't fit together very well. Did they do something to the track? When?
I no longer play AP but when I did,the poly did quicken as the day progressed on hot and sunny days with a late starting post. AP started at 4:00ish yesterday. This used to explain the surface getting quicker towards dusk/dark.
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I no longer play AP but when I did,the poly did quicken as the day progressed on hot and sunny days with a late starting post. AP started at 4:00ish yesterday. This used to explain the surface getting quicker towards dusk/dark.
Obviously this is a more broad point, but tracks that start during daylight and end in dark can be tough for figure makers. The track can and does usually change as the sun sets. Prairie Meadows comes to mind right away, and Remington in the summer.
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