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05-07-2018, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
You're still...not...getting...it
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What am I missing ? The way Justify crawled home somebody should have been able to come with a run ...,
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05-07-2018, 01:09 PM
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#32
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Originally Posted by LoneF
What am I missing ? The way Justify crawled home somebody should have been able to come with a run ...,
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Which horse is your Preakness tout? Folks want to know.
Thanks.
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05-07-2018, 01:11 PM
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#33
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Originally Posted by LoneF
It wasn’t just the slow time but it was the fact that nothing came running.
Did you hear Mike Smith comments to the outrider right after the race ?
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Sure, but that could have just been the track.
Last edited by dilanesp; 05-07-2018 at 01:15 PM.
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05-07-2018, 01:13 PM
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#34
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Originally Posted by LoneF
Did you hear Mike Smith comments to the outrider right after the race ?
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No...what were they?
I heard the OUTRIDER commenting...Couldn't really hear what Mike said as a reply...I guess you did?
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05-07-2018, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
No...what were they?
I heard the OUTRIDER commenting...Couldn't really hear what Mike said as a reply...I guess you did?
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I got great hearing ...
He said “ I can’t believe it was this easy” It shouldn’t be this easy “
Now let me translate ...
“ I can’t believe the racing gods gifted me with another dream race set up and to top it off not one other horse showed up. “
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05-07-2018, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneF
I got great hearing ...
He said “ I can’t believe it was this easy” It shouldn’t be this easy “
Now let me translate ...
“ I can’t believe the racing gods gifted me with another dream race set up and to top it off not one other horse showed up. “
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You sure that wasn't the outrider who said that?
In any event, it doesn't matter.
Anyone who thought Justify wasn't going to get a good trip to matter what, needs to reexamine themselves as a handicapper. This is the kind of thing that makes good horses GREAT. Talent + Advantageous Running Style. We've seen it time and time again.
And the naysayers always come back with "well, the horse got things its own way."
Yeah...duh!
Last edited by PaceAdvantage; 05-07-2018 at 01:35 PM.
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05-07-2018, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneF
Very well said ...
Personally my own learning experience from this derby was to be smarter about buying into hype. I bought it hook, line and sinker about what a strong group of 3 year olds this was, but in reality this years crop of horses is very weak.
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You bought into the hype, alright...
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05-07-2018, 01:37 PM
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05-07-2018, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneF
Thanks for pointing out the early fractions but what was the final time ? lol
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With the pace he set the finial is solid.
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Originally Posted by LoneF
I wish there was jockeys like Pincay and Cordero still in the game that wernt afraid to mix it up on the track ...
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Promises Fulfilled challenged him and he took the challenge, then dusted that runner.
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Originally Posted by LoneF
I wish they would pull a Rachel Alexandra and run Monomoy Girl in the Preakness, but will never happen
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Monomoy Girl is not Rachel, not by any standards.
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That’s my point ... If there was anything even remotely quality behind him ....
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Audible and Good Magic are quality horses, and there is three to five others that can be very good.
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Originally Posted by LoneF
If Justify and Magnum Moon had swapped post positions before the race than you are looking at a very different outcome ...
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If, could have, might have been, the race was ran like it was and those are the facts to look at.
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Originally Posted by LoneF
What am I missing ? The way Justify crawled home somebody should have been able to come with a run ...,
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Justify showed the ability to set a very high pace and finish well. Maybe the other horses showed that they not only need a high pace, but also need the pacesetters to throw in the towel.
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05-07-2018, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
You sure that wasn't the outrider who said that?
In any event, it doesn't matter.
Anyone who thought Justify wasn't going to get a good trip to matter what, needs to reexamine themselves as a handicapper. This is the kind of thing that makes good horses GREAT. Talent + Advantageous Running Style. We've seen it time and time again.
And the naysayers always come back with "well, the horse got things its own way."
Yeah...duh!
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Yeah.
One of my favorite pieces ever written about horse racing was Andy Beyer's obituary of Affirmed. Like many in the east, Beyer loved Alydar. And he always denigrated Affirmed for getting easy trips against Alydar and Spectacular Bid.
But by the time Affirmed died, Beyer said, he realized that he had completely misunderstood Affirmed. Part of what made him so great was his ability to get himself easy trips with his tactical speed, forcing his opponents to face adversity and beat him.
Tactical speed is a devastating attribute for a good racehorse.
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05-07-2018, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneF
That was a DREAM trip he got in the derby ...
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What are you talking about?
I preferred him underneath in all of my bets.
When I saw the 45 and change I just hoped he wouldn't fold like a tent.
When I saw Good Magic roll up to him I thought I was hitting a couple of my keys.
Just because he made it look easy doesn't mean it was. Talent+Tactical Speed is always lethal.
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05-07-2018, 02:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Mertz
Which horse is your Preakness tout? Folks want to know.
Thanks.
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I don’t care how many hours of race replay I have to watch I VOW to find the horse that’s going to take him down at 1/20 in the Preakness. Justify will pay me back with interest in the Preakness !!!
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05-07-2018, 02:04 PM
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#43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneF
I don’t care how many hours of race replay I have to watch I VOW to find the horse that’s going to take him down at 1/20 in the Preakness. Justify will pay me back with interest in the Preakness !!!
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Please don't ban him again.
His posts raise my self esteem.
Like they say, if you're ever feeling fat or ugly, go the state fair. If you ever think you have poor handicapping skills, go read LoneF.
Last edited by SkunkApe; 05-07-2018 at 02:11 PM.
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05-07-2018, 02:08 PM
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Justify makes easy trips. Is this not that hard to grasp? American Pharoah carved out 3 great trips to.
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05-07-2018, 02:11 PM
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#45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
You sure that wasn't the outrider who said that?
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Pretty sure it was the outrider.
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