"About" Time for a Change at Gulfstream Park

[Afleet]

Originally Posted by cj

The problem is these horses will show up elsewhere so I have to do the work. I can't have blanks for horses lining up for the Kentucky Derby! I just put the info out there. People can make their own decisions.

Hope they straighten it out. I with what you are trying to do, just throwing something else out there.

[Afleet]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

If they all suck, what track do you play?

Woodbine?

I play OP, KEE (except for last meet), CD, KY Downs-they get 80%+ of my play. Play the BC no matter where it is. Thats why I'm so critical of CD and KEE-they are screwing up the best places to play when they should be taking market share from CA and others.

[VigorsTheGrey]

Part 3

https://www.twinspires.com/blog/2018...acing-part-iii

[cj]

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

Part 3

https://www.twinspires.com/blog/2018...acing-part-iii

That guy is trying to make something out of data that is way too small to get any useful conclusions, IMO. Post positions in particular take way, way more than this tiny sample to learn anything.

Average winning post position? Seriously?

[cj]

He also doesn't know what he is talking about. The statement below from the article is about as false as it gets. He doesn't understand that the run up is never 0, that is just how Equibase is telling customers Gulfstream is lying.

Some of them are logical. If you are going to go 7 1/2 furlongs when the rail is out at 96 and 120 feet, there is no run up. When the rail is placed at 36 feet, it can be as low as zero and as high as 242 feet.

[VigorsTheGrey]

Originally Posted by cj

That guy is trying to make something out of data that is way too small to get any useful conclusions, IMO. Post positions in particular take way, way more than this tiny sample to learn anything.

Average winning post position? Seriously?

Agree, AWPP doesn't really tell you much without know the their actual distributions...

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Afleet

why not quit making figures for the track and steer your customers away from playing there due to the lack of transparency? These people only understand money, have to hit them were it hurts. See KEE as an example of stepping on their customers

I never use a paceline from GP or Kee or Dmr for any other track -- I just look at them as workout s not any indication of a horse's ability. Just WOs over crappy tracks with not credibility. I would not make a bet based on any performance at what I consider to be marginal minor league tracks like these three. Especially GP - the track where time stands still!

Been working for decades.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by jay68802

Maybe they will start not reporting if the race was a CLM, or ALW, that would be fun. And why report what track it was run at, maybe just tell handicappers what state it was run in. And random horses that it ran against, not the first 3 finishers...

Yeah, claiming, "about $20,000" at 6 or so furlongs, probably on dirt.
Franky's contributions to this game are legendary!

[Thomas Roulston]

Of course Fair Grounds has this same "about" problem - for all its turf distances.

But I've never been able to figure out why.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Thomas Roulston

Of course Fair Grounds has this same "about" problem - for all its turf distances.

But I've never been able to figure out why.

Pretty simple...they only have one set of timing poles. So when the rails move, they time them the same way regardless of where the rail is. Doesn't explain why races where there is no temp rail (0 setting) are also called about. I'm trying to find out today.

[Thomas Roulston]

I'd really appreciate it if you did find out - and you got to hand it to FG: The turns on their turf course are 814 feet long, and yet they run (about) 7 1/2 furlongs with only a 150-foot run from the finish line to the first turn, making it a 480-foot run overall. Yet Aqueduct refuses to run 7 1/2 furlongs on turf when that would involve approximately a 620-foot run into an 824-foot turn.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Thomas Roulston

I'd really appreciate it if you did find out - and you got to hand it to FG: The turns on their turf course are 814 feet long, and yet they run (about) 7 1/2 furlongs with only a 150-foot run from the finish line to the first turn, making it a 480-foot run overall. Yet Aqueduct refuses to run 7 1/2 furlongs on turf when that would involve approximately a 620-foot run into an 824-foot turn.

Well you should love Gulfstream then, they run tons of 7.5f races even if they really aren't 7.5f.

[Thomas Roulston]

But the gap from 5 1/2 furlongs to 7 1/2 furlongs at Gulfstream (and Fair Grounds) is lame. My latest "one and a half turf courses" design inside a 1 1/4-mile dirt track has no gaps at all - and its two-turn, 7-furlong turf start has a 530-foot (not counting any run-up) run into a 955-foot turn - well within acceptable guidelines based on what other tracks "get away with."

[jay68802]

Originally Posted by cj

Well you should love Gulfstream then, they run tons of 7.5f races even if they really aren't 7.5f.

Can't resist this correction. They time a lot of 7.5f races, but run them at different distances.

[cj]

Originally Posted by jay68802

Can't resist this correction. They time a lot of 7.5f races, but run them at different distances.

Perfect.