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09-25-2014, 12:53 PM
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Bridgejumpers and Jockeys?
Do you think most of or few, if any jockeys feel pressure if they know a huge sum has been bet on their horse in the show pool? Maybe they never look at the pools, but if they do what do you think?
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09-25-2014, 12:58 PM
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They don't care about the bettors, they're just worried about feeding their own families and not falling off a horse at 35 MPH.
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09-25-2014, 01:36 PM
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I doubt they even know about that until the race is over, if ever.
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09-26-2014, 01:56 AM
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Jockeys look at the board to see what chance the public gives their mount. Those minus pool are made when the horses are nearing the starting gate. If I was ever in the position that I needed $5000 so bad to risk 100k I wouldn't bet until they're actually loading in. I'd be to paranoid someone would payoff the rider to fall off or blow the turn. Jockeys do look at the board though and they try harder if there horse is 50/1 compared to 12/1 I think.
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09-26-2014, 08:45 PM
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Of course, the jockeys can only see the late odds when the race starts in front of the grandstand. This eliminates all sprint races on a mile, or larger track, and virtually all dirt races at Belmont.
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09-26-2014, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Billnewman
Jockeys look at the board to see what chance the public gives their mount. Those minus pool are made when the horses are nearing the starting gate. If I was ever in the position that I needed $5000 so bad to risk 100k I wouldn't bet until they're actually loading in. I'd be to paranoid someone would payoff the rider to fall off or blow the turn. Jockeys do look at the board though and they try harder if there horse is 50/1 compared to 12/1 I think.
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I don't really agree that the minus pools develop late in the betting. Seems like I very frequently see that $75,000 of $79,000 in the show pool is on such and such horse with 20+ MTP, and the ratio stays pretty much the same as the pool grows heading to post time.
But I don't think jockeys are affected by it at all.
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09-27-2014, 02:21 PM
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Bridgejumpers usually bet early, but not always. Sure-thing horses at a major track will often have several large bets made on them.
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09-27-2014, 02:51 PM
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Related question: How many jockeys bet on their mounts on a given day.. How many never bet.... And when say "bet" I mean have a wife or someone betting for them, other than a trainer or owner.
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09-27-2014, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Flysofree
Related question: How many jockeys bet on their mounts on a given day.. How many never bet.... And when say "bet" I mean have a wife or someone betting for them, other than a trainer or owner.
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For obvious reasons we will never know the answer.
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09-27-2014, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Billnewman
JIf I was ever in the position that I needed $5000 so bad to risk 100k I wouldn't bet until they're actually loading in. I'd be to paranoid someone would payoff the rider to fall off or blow the turn.
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At most places there is a limit per bet so if you bet anything above 1k or so, you will need to start punching early. 100k? 5 mtp or so at least.
I've been to several tracks where the max bet was $100 per line. Some have $500 and $1,000. Online I've been able to bet $2,000 per line.
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09-29-2014, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Prairie Bettor
At most places there is a limit per bet so if you bet anything above 1k or so, you will need to start punching early. 100k? 5 mtp or so at least.
I've been to several tracks where the max bet was $100 per line. Some have $500 and $1,000. Online I've been able to bet $2,000 per line.
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I remember when they were bridge jumping on that mule black ruby on the California circuit. If I remember correctly they bet a million to show and he won by like 12 lengths. The small fair had to pay out more on the minus pool then they made throughout the whole fair. Then the next week the fair that they moved to said no show betting on mule racing so if the guy bet 1 million to win. Andhe won easy. Wonder how we got the bet down if you want to some back room like Trotter did in let it ride.
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09-29-2014, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Billnewman
I remember when they were bridge jumping on that mule black ruby on the California circuit. If I remember correctly they bet a million to show and he won by like 12 lengths. The small fair had to pay out more on the minus pool then they made throughout the whole fair. Then the next week the fair that they moved to said no show betting on mule racing so if the guy bet 1 million to win. Andhe won easy. Wonder how we got the bet down if you want to some back room like Trotter did in let it ride.
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You don't remember correctly.
Black Ruby once had $100,000 bet to show on her, and after that some fairs asked to waive place and show pools. Don't know where you got the part about a million dollars to win.
Also, Black Ruby was a she.
Other than that, you're on the money.
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09-29-2014, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Billnewman
I remember when they were bridge jumping on that mule black ruby on the California circuit. If I remember correctly they bet a million to show and he won by like 12 lengths. The small fair had to pay out more on the minus pool then they made throughout the whole fair. Then the next week the fair that they moved to said no show betting on mule racing so if the guy bet 1 million to win. Andhe won easy. Wonder how we got the bet down if you want to some back room like Trotter did in let it ride.
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nobody bet anything close to a million to win, esp on a mule.
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