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Old 09-24-2011, 10:43 PM   #1
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Hansen

Turfway Juvenile stakes was won in impressive fashion today by 13 by a white blur who goes by the name of Hansen. You all might see him in the BC but its iffy as the Juvy Turfway race was ungraded. Take a look at the replay if you can as he was running in a different area code than the overmatched field going 2 turns in only his 2nd lifetime race after winnin his first by 12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNUyr8MyMHs

http://www.drf.com/news/kentucky-cup...e-romp-turfway

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Old 09-24-2011, 11:01 PM   #2
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Weird gate on that one.
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Old 09-24-2011, 11:24 PM   #3
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I didn't think he would be able to keep that pace up at that distance.

I was sorely mistaken.

Very impressive.
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Old 09-24-2011, 11:57 PM   #4
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At least the clockers can't miss him. Not often do you see a tb grey that young that white.
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23.83
23.08
24.57
27.20!!!
7.15

I don't play Turfway...but it would seem to me that this horse hit a brick wall between the 6f and mile mark...not a terribly good sign going forward....I know he quickened up during the second quarter of the race, but still...over 27 seconds it took going from the 3/4 to the mile mark?

And then it took over 7 seconds to run the last 1/16th?
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Old 09-25-2011, 02:48 AM   #7
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I remember a time when this was a big day on the national racing scene. It was long ago, a much "dirtier" time.
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Old 09-25-2011, 09:20 AM   #8
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23.83
23.08
24.57
27.20!!!
7.15

I don't play Turfway...but it would seem to me that this horse hit a brick wall between the 6f and mile mark...not a terribly good sign going forward....I know he quickened up during the second quarter of the race, but still...over 27 seconds it took going from the 3/4 to the mile mark?

And then it took over 7 seconds to run the last 1/16th?
when I watched it I went back to see the last 1/16th time, I noted that too. It looked to me like he was done..........just visually. might be a great 7F horse
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Old 09-25-2011, 09:36 AM   #9
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when I watched it I went back to see the last 1/16th time, I noted that too. It looked to me like he was done..........just visually. might be a great 7F horse
Let's keep in mind this was his second race... EVER. I was there yesterday and it was special to watch. I think he goes to the BC for sure.
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Old 09-25-2011, 11:41 AM   #10
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Here's his debut race:

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Old 09-26-2011, 02:58 AM   #11
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23.83
23.08
24.57
27.20!!!
7.15

I don't play Turfway...but it would seem to me that this horse hit a brick wall between the 6f and mile mark...not a terribly good sign going forward....I know he quickened up during the second quarter of the race, but still...over 27 seconds it took going from the 3/4 to the mile mark?

And then it took over 7 seconds to run the last 1/16th?
Mike Watchmaker of DRF points out that those early fractions were very fast for the day.
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Let's keep in mind this was his second race... EVER. I was there yesterday and it was special to watch. I think he goes to the BC for sure.
Point taken
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Mike Watchmaker of DRF points out that those early fractions were very fast for the day.
That's always an interesting debate.

Did the horse run slow late because he ran so fast early?

Is he the horse the kind of speed horse that will always run faster than average early and then slow down late?

Is he the kind of horse that will have trouble finishing fast at longer distances even if he rates well on or just off the lead?
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Old 09-26-2011, 10:41 AM   #14
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Mike Watchmaker of DRF points out that those early fractions were very fast for the day.
Thanks for the Watchmaker comment , here is his take from his blog

" also want to say a brief word about Hansen, the flashy grey, Mike Maker-trained Tapit colt who won his debut at Turfway Park early this month by just over 12 lengths, and who came back to win Saturday’s Kentucky Cup Juvenile at Turfway by just over 13 lengths.
Now, before anyone goes too overboard on Hansen, keep in mind these three things: He has yet to race on dirt, the field he beat Saturday was weak, and despite the fact that he ran away from his opposition through the stretch Saturday, he was actually a tired horse. Just look at the late fractions. But Hansen had a right to be tired late in the Kentucky Cup Juvenile, and that is part of the reason why he is intriguing.

Hansen set the pace again Saturday, posting fractions of 23.83, 46.91, and 1:11.48. His pace was much faster than the Kentucky Cup Juvenile Fillies pace (24.12, 48.30, and 1:14.10), or what older females went in the Distaff (24.48, 48.43, and 1:12.73). Hansen’s pace was even faster than what older males went in the ostensible feature, the WinStar Kentucky Cup (24.47, 47.97, and 1:11.82). That Hansen, off of only one sprint race, can set that kind of pace going two turns and still win by a double digit margin regardless of what he was up against makes him, for now, at least, one to keep an eye on. "
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it'is exasperating that hansen is getting poo-pooed, given that the farthest any of watchmaker's top five 2 year olds has gone so far is 6 furlongs, and that there is a world of difference between 6 furlongs and a mile and 1/16, and given that hansen went a mile and 1/16 in only his 2nd start, after having just raced 2 weeks before, while under a hand ride the entire way and setting some of the fastest internal fractions of the day. it doesn't really matter that hansen beat nothing--he was running his own race from start to finish, after taking the lead from the far outside post.

his final time may have been uninspiring, but he wasn't asked for anything in the stretch--and really, who, besides a sadist would press a horse for a showy time, when you've already got the race in hand by a baker's dozen?

if he's the real deal, he will be god-send for the sport--the general public will fall in love with this rare white thoroughbred (i know he's really grey, but he's the palest grey 2 yr old i've ever seen, and will probably be truly white by the KY derby), who runs with abandon, leaving the field far behind him. he's like something out of a disney movie.

anyway, i have a feeling that if hansen had done this in ny, he'd be hailed the next jesus-horse. after all THAS only had to win one allowance race after having been soundly beaten repeatedly, for no reason other than that he sucked, by the other 3 yr olds last spring, in order to be reborn as the next worldbeater and catapulted to the 3rd best 3 yo just for winning one race while carrying 10 lbs less weight than the fast closing 2nd (who didn't do anything all year but win the belmont ffs)....i have to go back to following racing in bubble...the want of logic and excess of hypocrisy does nothing but upset me...

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