Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board

Go Back   Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board > Thoroughbred Horse Racing Discussion > General Handicapping Discussion


Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old 05-24-2005, 12:03 PM   #1
46zilzal
velocitician
 
46zilzal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 26,248
Angles

These highly personable nuances one discovers that often SUPERCEDE racing logic. I have given several of mine names like "two lines over the field," "splitzacta," "going off form" and "order within chaos."

Mark Cramer has touted one for years: track change class drop and there is a qualifier on that Angle: KIMMEL in the 2nd at Philly today Tuesday May 24th.

Let's see how that one works TODAY
46zilzal is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-24-2005, 12:37 PM   #2
Skanoochies
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 730
Angles

46....., you should post this in the selections section also,someone playing that track today may appreciate the info. and not see it here. Just an idea.
__________________
B.P.
Skanoochies is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-24-2005, 03:51 PM   #3
46zilzal
velocitician
 
46zilzal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 26,248
good idea

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanoochies
46....., you should post this in the selections section also,someone playing that track today may appreciate the info. and not see it here.
BUT, I was hoping to start a thread on HOW folks discover angles.
46zilzal is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-24-2005, 05:05 PM   #4
keilan
Veteran
 
keilan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: At the wire
Posts: 2,795
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanoochies
46....., you should post this in the selections section also,someone playing that track today may appreciate the info. and not see it here. Just an idea.

46 doesn't post selections, fact is this would be Cramers selection I'm sure as the horse didn't win. 46's record is still a healthy 0 for 0.
keilan is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-24-2005, 05:17 PM   #5
46zilzal
velocitician
 
46zilzal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 26,248
ideas

Ideas are all I "tout" thanks
46zilzal is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-24-2005, 05:31 PM   #6
46zilzal
velocitician
 
46zilzal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 26,248
results

FLYTODIXIE broke alertly then was taken in hand, made a wide bid on the turn then edged clear in the final furlong. KIMMEL dueled outside to the far turn, led briefly, then battled gamely to the finish. ENDLESS MOUNTAIN was outrun early, angled wide on the turn and never threatened. RAHYONRAHY vied for the lead inside and began retreating on the turn. JUSTINTREPID dueled between foes to the turn then stopped abruptly. RUNNINGWITHFIRE trailed throughout.


horse wasn't embarassed either

Last edited by 46zilzal; 05-24-2005 at 05:33 PM.
46zilzal is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-24-2005, 07:15 PM   #7
Fastracehorse
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 2,443
How 'bout this angle?

Maiden runs token up-the-track finish on dirt but has a turf pedigree.

Then fires 2nd out on the hemp.

Just the fact that the first race is so bad is an angle.

fffastt
Fastracehorse is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-24-2005, 08:08 PM   #8
PaceAdvantage
PA Steward
 
PaceAdvantage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,183
Actually, I think this is a good idea....I think we had an angle thread or two in the past, and they were enjoyable....
PaceAdvantage is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-24-2005, 08:19 PM   #9
JackS
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 769
Maiden FTS'ers with a ML of 20-1 who show nothing in their works with an average or below jockey and trainer and going off at odds in the 6-1 range.
Somethings going on here that we may never understand but that doesn't mean we should ignore what is possibly and probably stable money.
JackS is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-24-2005, 08:47 PM   #10
Zaf
Pace Cappa
 
Zaf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 4,649
How about 2nd time starters with first time lasix. Any of you DB guys check this one out ?

ZAFONIC
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2hFZ8KnsSo
Zaf is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-24-2005, 10:05 PM   #11
Misteranthropic
Slightly annoyed
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Mateo, Ca
Posts: 31
Zafonic,

I have YTD data on around 25 tracks and 2nd time starters with first time lasix are 26/229 for an 11% win rate with a .83 ROI.

Regards,

Brian


Quote:
Originally Posted by zafonic
How about 2nd time starters with first time lasix. Any of you DB guys check this one out ?

ZAFONIC
Misteranthropic is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-24-2005, 10:11 PM   #12
Zaf
Pace Cappa
 
Zaf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 4,649
Thank You Misteranthropic. I figured the ROI would of been a little bit higher on that.

ZAFONIC
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2hFZ8KnsSo
Zaf is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-24-2005, 10:40 PM   #13
JustRalph
Just another Facist
 
JustRalph's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Now in Houston
Posts: 52,619
3rd back from a layoff and racing within 10 days of the 2nd start back.


anybody that can drag that out of a database........... I would love to hear it
__________________
WE ARE THE DUMBEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET!
JustRalph is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-24-2005, 10:56 PM   #14
Misteranthropic
Slightly annoyed
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Mateo, Ca
Posts: 31
Ralph,

Here you go: 3rd back from layoff racing within 10 days of last start. In my YTD db this criteria is 1/9 with an ROI of .53

Regards,

Brian

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustRalph
3rd back from a layoff and racing within 10 days of the 2nd start back.


anybody that can drag that out of a database........... I would love to hear it
Misteranthropic is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-24-2005, 11:18 PM   #15
Tom
The Voice of Reason!
 
Tom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
Posts: 112,470
Quote:
Originally Posted by zafonic
How about 2nd time starters with first time lasix. Any of you DB guys check this one out ?

ZAFONIC
All tracks

535/4572
Win% 11.7%

Bet $9144
Ret $7287

roi .77
__________________
Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
Tom is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Reply




Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

» Advertisement
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:21 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 1999 - 2023 -- PaceAdvantage.Com -- All Rights Reserved
We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program
designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.