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Old 02-04-2020, 11:27 AM   #1
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Churchill Downs announces new 20-position starting gate for 2020 Kentucky Derby

Smart move. It looks better for a straight starting gate, rather than a gap between posts 16-21.

http://wdrb.com/sports/churchill-dow...e6c5dfceb.html

Lets see if that changes anything for past trends in this years Derby.

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Old 02-04-2020, 12:27 PM   #2
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The gap was after the 14 stall.
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Old 02-04-2020, 01:38 PM   #3
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And just like that, the dreaded post becomes just another position.
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Million dollar Corp should have done this years ago.
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I hope they test it out before the derby!
I can just hear Gary West if his horse's stall fails to open!
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Old 02-04-2020, 04:44 PM   #6
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I hope they test it out before the derby!
I can just hear Gary West if his horse's stall fails to open!
Don't worry, it was made by the same people who programmed the computers for the Iowa Caucus. No testing necessary!
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The gap was after the 14 stall.
Right sorry. Older pic I guess
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The gap was after the 14 stall.

Which would suggest that limiting the field to 14 horses would be the simplest solution to a self-created problem.
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Some of us don't think it's a problem.
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The Derby field is too crowded. It is just a matter of time before something tragic happens. 14 horses is plenty, although I realize it will never happen, too much money at stake.
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A decrease may help, but it would also make the Derby seem more smaller than a bigger field
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Which would suggest that limiting the field to 14 horses would be the simplest solution to a self-created problem.
Stop making sense!

They can’t find 12 decent horses now.....let alone 20
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Stop making sense!

They can’t find 12 decent horses now.....let alone 20

Running a horse in the Derby is the big ego trip of the year for owners. Even with a horse they know has no chance, it's a yuge deal to take friends and family out to the track, buy them mint juleps, and let them watch you strut around the paddock like the big guys do.
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Running a horse in the Derby is the big ego trip of the year for owners. Even with a horse they know has no chance, it's a yuge deal to take friends and family out to the track, buy them mint juleps, and let them watch you strut around the paddock like the big guys do.
And that's actually a big reason to limit fields. Because any owner thinking this isn't thinking about the horse.
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Running a horse in the Derby is the big ego trip of the year for owners.
While I do think the field is too large (it was 15 when it all started) I don't begrudge owners. These horses are young with only short careers behind them, and keeping a horse together to make the gate is a feat in and of itself, in addition to their having to earn their berth. Somebody is paying the bills to take this risk.

According to bloodstock analyst Bill Oppenheim, less than 4% of all horses that raced in North America in 2019 earned more than $100K.

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Even with a horse they know has no chance
Tell that to Donerail, Mine That Bird, Giacomo, Gallahadion, Charismatic, Proud Clarion, Thunder Gulch, et. al.

It's a chaos race ----- horses doing something they've never done for the first time......any horse can theoretically win. And as with all racing, there is bad luck and good luck involved as well.

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And that's actually a big reason to limit fields. Because any owner thinking this isn't thinking about the horse.
That's a tough argument and a slippery slope. One could argue that many in this biz, not just owners, aren't thinking about the horse, and it doesn't only happen because they are running in the Derby. I've often put myself in the imaginary shoes of a horse, bred for the racetrack, who has fallen to a lower level claimer, in a small barn w/out a lot of money, and feeling the pain of the injuries they surely have as athletes, and you hope they are receiving enough things to keep them comfortable but we don't know if that is entirely true.

A KY Derby nominee who is close to making the gate is less likely to experience a lot of suffering.

But yes, the bizarre field size, coupled with the knowledge that these are youngsters who may still be green in some aspects, sure makes me white-knuckled every year.


Remind me again how many years did it take racing to bring in a gate that could better accommodate 20 horses?

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