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07-22-2019, 06:05 PM
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#106
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Originally Posted by Redboard
I'm surprised these "voter initiatives" have never been challenged in court. It's my understanding that we live in a democratic republic - we use democracy (majority rules) to elect our leaders, but once elected our leaders rule by making policies based on their knowledge, experience and conscious, even though a policy might be unpopular with the majority. A mayor, for a simple example, might decide to build a bridge across a river in the north end of town, that the rest of the town will never use.
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Initiatives came around at the start of the 20th Century, and were upheld very quickly by the courts.
While the Constitution says that states must guarantee a "republican form of government", this has been held to be "nonjusticiable", because the reality is that nobody can agree on exactly what that means.
People shouldn't assume there's this absolute strict dichotomy between democracy and republican government. Initiatives are a check on some of the bad tendencies of legislatures. We had a recent example of this with marijuana-- legislatures were filled with people who were absolutely deathly afraid of looking "soft on drugs" or siding with stoners. The public was able to weigh in and move policy in a different direction. There's nothing "anti-republican" about that-- it's a check on governmental power.
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07-23-2019, 08:48 AM
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#107
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Veteran
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
It's the only threat (the state legislature will never ban racing), but it is a very serious one. It's very easy to pass initiatives here and animal rights are a huge deal.
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Why do you think this?
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07-23-2019, 11:26 AM
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#108
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
Why do you think this?
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Because in the legislature, the stuff PA talks about- the power of the industry, broadly defined- still has plenty of weight.
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07-23-2019, 11:39 AM
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#109
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Just another Facist
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Location: Now in Houston
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Ever heard of Michael Vick?
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07-24-2019, 04:24 AM
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#110
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
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The motion didn't pass, 3-2, but the sponsor said he would bring it up again in the future.
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07-28-2019, 05:56 PM
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#111
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THEY SEND IN THE MAN
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Yeah...that's not gonna happen
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07-31-2019, 10:49 PM
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#113
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Vancouver Island
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Same old info
Strides have been made in reducing fatalities and injuries with commendable proposals such as improved oversight of horses by regulatory vets, stricter medication rules, and other reforms including limits on whip use — but the implementation has been inconsistent. This isn't surprising considering the regulation of the U.S. horse racing industry is a patchwork of rules across 38 separate jurisdictions with little coordination or adoption of the highest standards.
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/r...urrent-crisis/
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07-19-2020, 09:18 PM
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#114
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Location: Nebraska
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07-20-2020, 06:32 PM
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#115
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Originally Posted by jay68802
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Los Al kept its license of course, but I just watched a local news report that trashed Los Al and the sport for being corrupt and full of drugs.
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07-20-2020, 06:54 PM
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#116
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Location: Nebraska
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Saw that earlier, not much of a surprise. Makes me wonder though, two streaks like this in the same state.
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07-20-2020, 06:57 PM
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#117
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Join Date: Jan 2020
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They will ban it in CA. Maybe not today, maybe not even 3 years from now, but it's coming.
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