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Old 07-22-2019, 06:05 PM   #106
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I'm surprised these "voter initiatives" have never been challenged in court. It's my understanding that we live in a democratic republic - we use democracy (majority rules) to elect our leaders, but once elected our leaders rule by making policies based on their knowledge, experience and conscious, even though a policy might be unpopular with the majority. A mayor, for a simple example, might decide to build a bridge across a river in the north end of town, that the rest of the town will never use.
Initiatives came around at the start of the 20th Century, and were upheld very quickly by the courts.

While the Constitution says that states must guarantee a "republican form of government", this has been held to be "nonjusticiable", because the reality is that nobody can agree on exactly what that means.

People shouldn't assume there's this absolute strict dichotomy between democracy and republican government. Initiatives are a check on some of the bad tendencies of legislatures. We had a recent example of this with marijuana-- legislatures were filled with people who were absolutely deathly afraid of looking "soft on drugs" or siding with stoners. The public was able to weigh in and move policy in a different direction. There's nothing "anti-republican" about that-- it's a check on governmental power.
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Old 07-23-2019, 08:48 AM   #107
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It's the only threat (the state legislature will never ban racing), but it is a very serious one. It's very easy to pass initiatives here and animal rights are a huge deal.
Why do you think this?
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Old 07-23-2019, 11:26 AM   #108
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Why do you think this?
Because in the legislature, the stuff PA talks about- the power of the industry, broadly defined- still has plenty of weight.
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Old 07-23-2019, 11:39 AM   #109
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Old 07-24-2019, 04:24 AM   #110
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Los Angeles to consider banning horse racing

https://fox5sandiego.com/2019/07/21/...-horse-racing/
The motion didn't pass, 3-2, but the sponsor said he would bring it up again in the future.
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Old 07-28-2019, 05:56 PM   #111
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Old 07-31-2019, 10:17 PM   #112
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I am surprised that 12 horses have died at NY track in July and that 51 have died this year.

7 per month, on average, seems like a lot.

https://ktla.com/2019/07/23/12-horse...is-year-to-51/
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Old 07-31-2019, 10:49 PM   #113
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Same old info

Strides have been made in reducing fatalities and injuries with commendable proposals such as improved oversight of horses by regulatory vets, stricter medication rules, and other reforms including limits on whip use — but the implementation has been inconsistent. This isn't surprising considering the regulation of the U.S. horse racing industry is a patchwork of rules across 38 separate jurisdictions with little coordination or adoption of the highest standards.


https://www.paulickreport.com/news/r...urrent-crisis/
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Old 07-19-2020, 09:18 PM   #114
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Old 07-20-2020, 06:32 PM   #115
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Los Al kept its license of course, but I just watched a local news report that trashed Los Al and the sport for being corrupt and full of drugs.
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Old 07-20-2020, 06:54 PM   #116
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Saw that earlier, not much of a surprise. Makes me wonder though, two streaks like this in the same state.
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Old 07-20-2020, 06:57 PM   #117
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They will ban it in CA. Maybe not today, maybe not even 3 years from now, but it's coming.
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