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03-24-2017, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Pick 5
I originally was thinking that maybe an upset was possible...but upon further consideration I realized absolutely not...who am I kidding....this horse is an absolute machine and is going to roll this field tomorrow.....generational horse
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i agree, anyone can get beat, the problem with trying to beat A is that you not only need lightning in a bottle, you still have to come up with the correct combo!
It's not like if he loses, people who bet against him automatically win.
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03-24-2017, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Fager Fan
They're all beatable. He has to string together quite a few more before I think he's unbeatable by every horse currently racing. Gun Runner has the goods to do it.
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I know he is a 4yr. old now and probably bigger and stronger, but I still can't get past how easily Tamarkuz blew by Gun Runner in the stretch of the Breeders Cup Mile. Also the fact that he was beaten in the Pennsylvania Derby by Connect.
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03-24-2017, 03:37 PM
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Not sure if there will a DWC selections thread but here I go from here:
Big exacta Arrogate over Neolithic.
Smaller exacta Arrogate over Mubtaahij.
That's 9-11, and 9-14 for all you numbers guys.
Why these two under Arrogate (soon to be the greatest horse ever made if not there already)?:
If one looks at all the horses Arrogate faced so far that's running in the DWC, Neolithic has finished the closest to him, beaten 8 1-4 lengths in the Pegasus. Plus, Neolithic ran two great races late in 2016 that's on par or better than those 2-3 others who might get more attention. Horses such as Gun Runner (beaten 15 lengths). Keen Ice (11), Hoppertunity (11 1-2) could very well be much shorter prices in the exacta pools than Neolithic.
Why Mubtaahij? He once ran within 4 lengths of California Chrome and as we all know, Cali Chrome was beaten just a half-length to Arrogate in the BC Classic. He'll get a few bucks from me because of this. Also, Mike de Kock is now his trainer and and that's a big improvement over the very over rated Kiaran McLaughlin.
Good luck everyone and enjoy the race.
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03-24-2017, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
Well, can you beat him?
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I'm not looking to beat him, although I haven't even looked at the race yet. I'm saying if you were, now's the time, obviously...
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03-24-2017, 04:18 PM
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Just from a fan's standpoint, wouldn't it be fun if Keen Ice beat him? That would solidify his reputation and the great Giant Killer.
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03-25-2017, 02:53 AM
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Been an "anti" anything Hoppertunity wagerer for a while, but in this one, he makes a bit of sense to me.
Also look to Mubtaahij to have a reasonable shot. OF course both of those are with their given odds of 8/1 or higher.
Reality is, Arrogate is King, and someone will need a massive effort and/or Arrogate to not take to the surface.
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03-25-2017, 11:39 AM
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Arrogate is running for the first time without Lasix...may be something to consider.
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03-25-2017, 12:48 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Zenyattagate wins it!
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03-25-2017, 12:49 PM
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Unfreakinbelievable.
Out of this word performance.
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03-25-2017, 12:51 PM
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Going with Best EVER IMO. No horse could have done what he just did.
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03-25-2017, 12:51 PM
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I feel bad for the other horses..they don't even have a chance...they look like nickel claimers running against him
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03-25-2017, 12:51 PM
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I swear, unto my soul, after that break, I'm SPEECHLESS.
Congrats ARROGATE!!!
Gunrunner second!!!!
Incredible for American racing.....
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03-25-2017, 12:53 PM
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I'd like to see the head-on of the start because it looked like he got mugged on the left and the right, before being steadied.
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03-25-2017, 12:53 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Zenyattagate wins it!
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Mike even said so!  
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03-25-2017, 01:03 PM
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What a Performance. Absolutely Amazing Horse!! Congratulations to the horse and his connections. What a Gift Arrogate is to the racing World!! 
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