Are you drafting Johnny Manziel?

[TheEdge07]

I would

[headhawg]

In early rounds? No. If I'm running a read option offense? Maybe. My feeling is that he is Tebow with a better arm and off-the-field issues. If he's available in the 4th, and I have an established QB so that I can wait to see if he develops, then a qualified yes. No doubt there are teams that will take him early. A mistake, but that's why those teams suck every year.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by TheEdge07

I would

2nd or 3rd round maybe. Not worth a 1st round selection IMO. What proto-typical NFL QB skills do you believe he possesses?

Height? NO
Throwing motion? NO
Accuracy? Some yes and some no depending on the throw
Field awareness? YES

[TheEdge07]

[QUOTE=tucker6]2nd or 3rd round maybe. Not worth a 1st round selection IMO. What proto-typical NFL QB skills do you believe he possesses?

Height? NO
Throwing motion? NO
Accuracy? Some yes and some no depending on the throw
Field awareness? YES[/QUOTE

high football iq
accurate
leader

[tucker6]

[QUOTE
high football iq
accurate
leader[/QUOTE]
That's all bull crap. He has field awareness, but that isn't IQ. Football IQ is being able to read the defense and know where your hot receiver is. Manziel is no better than many college QB's at this point. Manziel has the instincts that a Tebow had but with more accuracy, but you can't build a successful NFL team around that. Just take a look at the NFL. You remove RGIII's running threat because he's getting hurt too much, and he becomes an average QB. Same will happen with Manziel. Teams don't want to mortgage their franchise on a guy who could get hurt all the time. He's already been getting hurt in college. Will only get worse in the pros.

[TheEdge07]

Originally Posted by tucker6

2nd or 3rd round maybe. Not worth a 1st round selection IMO. What proto-typical NFL QB skills do you believe he possesses?

Height? NO
Throwing motion? NO
Accuracy? Some yes and some no depending on the throw
Field awareness? YES

Height..brees, no
throwing motion..stafford no
accuracy..flacco no..completed 59 % of his passes..

[precocity]

Originally Posted by TheEdge07

I would

a real defense end is going to make him sheit in his boxers...hes to small.

[Robert Fischer]

I like him.

Even RG3 sold tix, and drove a ton of revenue, and has made that mediocre Skins team a constant media story.

He's worth more than most draft picks in the box office already.

And I think he can play a little. If he were to have any real success, I think he would need a really top-level offensive coordinator.

If he doesn't land in a good organization, I could see him getting thrown to the wolves.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by tucker6

You remove RGIII's running threat because he's getting hurt too much, and he becomes an average QB. Same will happen with Manziel. Teams don't want to mortgage their franchise on a guy who could get hurt all the time. He's already been getting hurt in college. Will only get worse in the pros.

I haven't seen a lot of Manziel, but he reminds me of RGIII, and both remind be of a younger Mike Vick. None have field discipline, and try to be creative when they get in a jam. The verdict is still out as to RGIII's value as an NFL QB.

Someone once said that you can't be a consistent top team in the NFL without a Pro Bowl quality QB. Vick did not qualify, and I don't see it in RGIII or Johnny Football either. At least not without a major make-over under great coaching.

[Marshall Bennett]

Texans will likely nab him. According to the local paper here they may well be dumping the 3 quarterbacks they currently have.

[precocity]

image in my mind Ndamukong Suh blasting his azz!!!!! so long johnny!!!!!

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by Marshall Bennett

Texans will likely nab him. According to the local paper here they may well be dumping the 3 quarterbacks they currently have.

Really stupid if they draft him. I agree he's too small.

He won't last after the meat grinder gets done with him

[Robert Fischer]

I actually think that if he somehow lands in a good organization with a good offensive coordinator, that he will be a star player, with production in the top 15 and top 10 starting QBs during his prime.

I'm not ready to vouch for Houston to be able to run such a system yet.

[headhawg]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

I actually think that if he somehow lands in a good organization with a good offensive coordinator, that he will be a star player, with production in the top 15 and top 10 starting QBs during his prime.

This sounds too much like the posts you made about Tebow. How'd that work out? Manziel has more QB skills than Tebow but he can't make all of the throws and really isn't big enough imo. I don't think that he's a better prospect than, let's say, Geno Smith from last year, and Smith had four years of college ball. He won't last until the 4th round because GMs will be desperate or stupid, but that's where I would think about taking him. Any earlier than that feels like an underlay to me.

[sammy the sage]

The guy is Fran Tarkenton, Doug Flutie, Capp, Young...all in one package...yes a bit small...BUT

If I'm Skins, Panthers, 49ers, Hawks or Eagles esp....I take him...even as a back-up...middle round obviously...

Desperate team that's CHANGING offense...w/a qb that is mobile...take him earlier...

Read option is HERE TO STAY...injuries be damned..