Religion II

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Pretty pathetic when you have to use non-words to define primitive terms.

People coin new words all the time. For example the words biogenesis and abiogenesis were unknown 200 years ago, as was the phrase spontaneous generation. The phrase irreducible complexity was coined 25 years ago. Do you consider it "pretty pathetic" that Behe had to use "non-words" to make his point?

There is nothing in the laws of logic that prohibits the coinage of new terms. Nor is there anything in the laws of logic that prohibits definitions that do not conform to those found in dictionaries.

In Elements of Geometry Euclid defined 28 terms. Although some of those may have already been in use in Euclid's time I doubt that any scholar could document who coined each of them. It's reasonable to assume that Euclid coined at least some of them.

Grok?

[Actor]

Logic 103

The symbols I will use is this segment are unlikely to be those you will encounter in a logic textbook. This is because the symbols used in textbooks are not those found on computer keyboards, and although a variety of “special symbols” can be generated using various word processing programs it is not possible to guarantee that those symbols will successfully translate to a web post. Take the symbol ¬ which is used as the negation operator. This is supposed to look like the letter “L” rotated 90 degrees counter clockwise and the flipped top to bottom. Although this works on my computer there is a good chance that some readers will see something entirely different. Therefore I will use the ~ which is available on all keyboards. Some textbooks will use the ~ in any case.

SENTENTIAL LOGIC

TABLE I

Symbol   Name
------   -------
(
)
~        NOT
&.       AND
|        OR
==>      IMPLIES				IF … THEN ...
<==>     IMPLIES AND IS IMPLIED BY	IF AND ONLY IF
A[1]     SENTENCE #1
A[2]     SENTENCE #2
…
A[n]     SENTENCE #n

The parentheses mean “do what’s inside first”. In the case of nested parentheses (parentheses inside parentheses the innermost pair are done before first. For ever “(“ there must be a “)” and the “(“ must come before the corresponding “)”.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

People coin new words all the time. For example the words biogenesis and abiogenesis were unknown 200 years ago, as was the phrase spontaneous generation. The phrase irreducible complexity was coined 25 years ago. Do you consider it "pretty pathetic" that Behe had to use "non-words" to make his point?

There is nothing in the laws of logic that prohibits the coinage of new terms. Nor is there anything in the laws of logic that prohibits definitions that do not conform to those found in dictionaries.

In Elements of Geometry Euclid defined 28 terms. Although some of those may have already been in use in Euclid's time I doubt that any scholar could document who coined each of them. It's reasonable to assume that Euclid coined at least some of them.

Grok?

Have fun conversing with yourself, Grok.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

Logic 103

The symbols I will use is this segment are unlikely to be those you will encounter in a logic textbook. This is because the symbols used in textbooks are not those found on computer keyboards, and although a variety of “special symbols” can be generated using various word processing programs it is not possible to guarantee that those symbols will successfully translate to a web post. Take the symbol ¬ which is used as the negation operator. This is supposed to look like the letter “L” rotated 90 degrees counter clockwise and the flipped top to bottom. Although this works on my computer there is a good chance that some readers will see something entirely different. Therefore I will use the ~ which is available on all keyboards. Some textbooks will use the ~ in any case.

SENTENTIAL LOGIC

TABLE I

Symbol   Name
------   -------
(
)
~        NOT
&.       AND
|        OR
==>      IMPLIES				IF … THEN ...
<==>     IMPLIES AND IS IMPLIED BY	IF AND ONLY IF
A[1]     SENTENCE #1
A[2]     SENTENCE #2
…
A[n]     SENTENCE #n

The parentheses mean “do what’s inside first”. In the case of nested parentheses (parentheses inside parentheses the innermost pair are done before first. For ever “(“ there must be a “)” and the “(“ must come before the corresponding “)”.

Did you major in Boring in college?

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Did you major in Boring in college?

Do you want to drop the course?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

Do you want to drop the course?

The infinitely better question is: Why didn't you while you had a chance?

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Did you major in Boring in college?

I majored in physics. I thought we had covered that.

What did you major in?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

I majored in physics. I thought we had covered that.

Define physics. Besides, maybe you eventually became bored with physics. Or you were so brilliant you took two majors.

What did you major in?

You have a short memory, Whiz Kid. Answer my questions in 5573 if you expect me to answer any of yours.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Define physics.

The study of energy and force, i.e., the science of everything.

Originally Posted by boxcar

Besides, maybe you eventually became bored with physics.

I'll never become bored with physics. It's the science of everything.

Originally Posted by boxcar

Or you were so brilliant you took two majors.

A double major is not a matter of brilliance. It's a matter of how you schedule your courses. The B.S. degree required 120 units consisting of 40 required units, 40 units in your major, and 40 elective units. If the elective units are all from another department you can declare a second major.

Originally Posted by boxcar

You have a short memory, Whiz Kid. Answer my questions in 5573 if you expect me to answer any of yours.

I think you've already answered the question.

Plus, not all questions are equal. Which of your questions in 5573 do you propose as equal to the question of what your major was? I could give you directions on how to get from Swampland to Oklahoma. I'd consider that a fair trade.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

The study of energy and force, i.e., the science of everything.

I'll never become bored with physics. It's the science of everything.

And therein is the major problem with science. The "science of everything" thinks it has all the answers for every aspect of life, and if not will have them in short order.

I think you've already answered the question.

That's what you get for "thinking".

Plus, not all questions are equal. Which of your questions in 5573 do you propose as equal to the question of what your major was? I could give you directions on how to get from Swampland to Oklahoma. I'd consider that a fair trade.

Learn to comprehend what you read. I'm answering no more of your questions until you answer ALL questions in 5573.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

And therein is the major problem with religion. Religion thinks it has all the answers for every aspect of life, and if not will have them in short order.

FTFY!.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

FTFY!.

Christianity is THE answer for Life and Living!

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Christianity is THE answer for Life and Living!

A position for which there is no evidence.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

A position for which there is no evidence.

Define evidence.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Define evidence.

Evidence is not a 1950 year old book.