Part 2: SPEED

[Maximillion]

Originally Posted by bob60566

Never have played superfecta but was told always look for chaos races makes sense??.

Mac

I cant speak for thaskalos but i think his very point in his previous post was he was probably avoiding these type of races(chaos by his style of handicapping)

[bob60566]

Originally Posted by Maximillion

I cant speak for thaskalos but i think his very point in his previous post was he was probably avoiding these type of races(chaos by his style of handicapping)

Well in superfecta you need large payouts if you box.

[barn32]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

If I have too many questions about the abilities of the horses in the race...or, if I find myself in the position of having to "read" the trainer's mind about things...then I PASS the race -- and keep the money in my pocket.

WE HAVE MANY, MANY RACES AVAILABLE TO US EVERY DAY!

THERE IS NO REASON FOR US TO BET ON ANY RACE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE IN!

Why even consider betting on a race where there is insufficient printed information with which to form an intelligent opinion?

We can bet only on the races that we have complete confidence in...and still have all the action that we can handle.

In other words...since you don't have to ante, you can sit and wait for the nuts.

[Tom]

If you post it, the nuts will come!

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by barn32

In other words...since you don't have to ante, you can sit and wait for the nuts.

IMO...the biggest benefit offered to the player by the current full-card simulcasting format of wagering is NOT that the diligent player can come up with 30+ "sound" bets a day.

It's the fact that he can come up with 5-10 "great" bets a day...if he is willing to work hard enough.

We seem to have forgotten that there was a time in the not too distant past when 2 serious bets in a day's play was considered a "busy" day for the profit-minded player.

All the skill in the world is not enough to compensate for the serious flaw of betting too many races...or playing too many hands at the poker table.

[JimG]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

IMO...the biggest benefit offered to the player by the current full-card simulcasting format of wagering is NOT that the diligent player can come up with 30+ "sound" bets a day.

It's the fact that he can come up with 5-10 "great" bets a day...if he is willing to work hard enough.

We seem to have forgotten that there was a time in the not too distant past when 2 serious bets in a day's play was considered a "busy" day for the profit-minded player.

All the skill in the world is not enough to compensate for the serious flaw of betting too many races...or playing too many hands at the poker table.

In the era of simulcasting, I think this is a fascinating and important topic. In fact two "name" people that I have great respect for, Michael Pizzolla and Dave Schwartz advocate very different strategies regarding betting in today's environment.

Both advocate multi-track wagering with Dave S. betting (dutching) all races except those with many FTS and very short fields. On the other hand, Pizzolla scours the available tracks for 3-5 races total involving overlays that he keys and plays to win and in exotics. Talk about opposite ends of the spectrum!

I am interested in hearing how thaskalos and other successful players approach wagering in today's environment.

Jim

[Dave Schwartz]

I like my way better. <G>

[raybo]

Originally Posted by JimG

In the era of simulcasting, I think this is a fascinating and important topic. In fact two "name" people that I have great respect for, Michael Pizzolla and Dave Schwartz advocate very different strategies regarding betting in today's environment.

Both advocate multi-track wagering with Dave S. betting (dutching) all races except those with many FTS and very short fields. On the other hand, Pizzolla scours the available tracks for 3-5 races total involving overlays that he keys and plays to win and in exotics. Talk about opposite ends of the spectrum!

I am interested in hearing how thaskalos and other successful players approach wagering in today's environment.

Jim

Personally, in my superfecta play, I wait until I find a race that has past data for all horses (I don't play 2 yo races at all), and when my minimum estimated payout for that race is at least approximately $300 for a $1 ticket ($30 for a dime ticket, etc.) I'll usually play the race. I find that the smaller payouts produce enough profit to build the bankroll, allowing me to buy a larger ticket in races where the minimum expected payout is much larger than $300 for $1 ticket. The larger payouts produce a generous long term profit. So, the smaller ones keep me in the game while the profit comes from the larger ones.

I usually play no more than 2 tracks per day, 3-4 days per week, and take frequent breaks from the game.