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Old 04-26-2012, 06:27 PM   #1111
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Now that was funny! And would you like for those bullet points to be the web's pre-scrub or post-scrub version of Martin?

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Where apparently anything goes...

But some would say it's disgraceful to dig up details on a kid.
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Old 04-26-2012, 06:51 PM   #1112
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Now that was funny! And would you like for those bullet points to be the web's pre-scrub or post-scrub version of Martin?

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The article and bullet points address Zimmermans history and offer a glimse into his state of mind.As the qoute says,“doesn’t it make you feel a bit differently about Zimmerman?”
So, what about Trayvon Martin ? How can anyone feel differently about him if we know next to nothing. I would like to know as much about him as possible, especially if it's relevant to this case.I am interested in the content of his character,his influences, ect., the unscrubbed, unvarnished truth.
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:07 PM   #1113
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The article and bullet points address Zimmermans history and offer a glimse into his state of mind.As the qoute says,“doesn’t it make you feel a bit differently about Zimmerman?”
So, what about Trayvon Martin ? How can anyone feel differently about him if we know next to nothing. I would like to know as much about him as possible, especially if it's relevant to this case.I am interested in the content of his character,his influences, ect., the unscrubbed, unvarnished truth.
I have a feeling that hasn't come out for a reason.
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:44 PM   #1114
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The article and bullet points address Zimmermans history and offer a glimse into his state of mind.As the qoute says,“doesn’t it make you feel a bit differently about Zimmerman?”
So, what about Trayvon Martin ? How can anyone feel differently about him if we know next to nothing. I would like to know as much about him as possible, especially if it's relevant to this case.I am interested in the content of his character,his influences, ect., the unscrubbed, unvarnished truth.
I understood your rationale. Believe me. I did. But I think Crump and Co. spent the first few weeks sanitizing Martin's background, which is why the shooting took so long to become a story. And nothing sanitizes better than "nothing there to see but a sweet looking, angelic face of someone who just reached puberty."

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Old 04-26-2012, 07:50 PM   #1115
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This is the internet land,
Where apparently anything goes...

But some would say it's disgraceful to dig up details on a kid.
Well, when people put themselves out there in the wild, wooly world of the web, they had better be prepared for the consequences. What little I have seen of Martin on the web, NONE of it has been flattering.

And the only way it would be "disgraceful to dig up details" on anyone is if their life is a disgrace. If their life is good and wholesome, what would be disgraceful about finding that out?

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Old 04-26-2012, 08:27 PM   #1116
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Allow me to answer for elysiantraveller.

Ain't no way possible that I could ever feel ANY differently about Zim than I ever did. That "self-appointed" neighborhood watch Captain, was a vigilante, hell-bent on killing. He KNEW it was wrong to be carrying a gun to go grocery shopping. He knew this was just a kid who was unarmed. He knew he could 'corner' this kid and with any luck the kid would make the first move, allowing Mr. Z. to kill Trayvon dead.

ANY self-respecting neighborhood watch Captain would have returned to his home and upholstered his weapon, AND THEN go and look for Trayvon. Better yet, that angry, good for nothin' creep, should have never followed him in the first place. He caused this entire thing to happen and he deserves to go to prison for decades.

I see the evil in his heart as clear as day.

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Yes... when all else fails put words in my mouth. Convenient how you completely ignore the post where I show you how Zimmerman broke Florida law.

I have no idea if Zimmerman is a racist or a bad person. What I do know is he is a idiot whose actions directly led to someone getting shot and killed. I showed you Florida law and how stand your ground doesn't apply in this case.

Finally, you don't think he did anything wrong and that he was just some wannabe rent-a-cop with a carry license. I can ASSURE you that because of the fact he has a carry license he did know better. This wasn't just some unfortunate circumstance... part of getting your carry permit is going through a class where it is pounded into you what not to do...

Zimmerman can't claim he didn't know any better... he does...

Culpable negligence... It applies... sorry.

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Old 04-26-2012, 10:16 PM   #1117
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Yes... when all else fails put words in my mouth.
Yeah, that prolly wasn't fair on my part.

Listen, we've hashed this out enough.

As my buddy AlanD says, we have to ensure justice is served for both parties.

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Old 04-26-2012, 11:35 PM   #1118
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Somehow I get the feeling that Alan D has forgotten more criminal law than Jeb Bush will ever know.

But great minds think alike. Justice for all, which is what I said earlier about Justice should be blind. Justice should not favor one party over the other. When that happens, then justice becomes unrighteous in nature.

I also liked what he said about how this case can have two victims. Did everyone catch that part -- TWO victims? This implies, minimally, that the burden of moral responsibility lies with with both. And this is what I have said repeatedly, agreeing with the assessment of the writer in Daily Caller in #555. There was probably wrong-doing on Zimm's part and Martin's. Zimm started out as the "provocateur" by following and chasing Martin, but just because someone provokes another does not give anyone the right to attack the provocateur. And this is how how Zimm probably became a victim. If my assessment of Martin is correct and he launched the assault upon Zimm, then we have a classic case of two wrongs being committed in an attempt to right a wrong. If Martin had not assaulted Zimm and bashed his head into concrete, Zimm, in all likelihood, would not have shot Martin. There would have been no victims. Martin would still be alive and Zimm would be going about his life. The only thing that would have suffered in this scenario is Martin's pride.

Of course, I hear people objecting the other way -- that if Zimm hadn't acted stupidly and followed Martin, none of this would have happened. And this is true. But again -- just because Zimm "provoked" Martin, did not give the kid license to assault Zimm. That situation was not a free pass for Martin to break the law! Martin could have controlled the situation and minimized contact by taking control of it in the morally proper way. Instead, it appears that he chose to not subdue his pride and to act irresponsibly by assaulting Zimm. And for what? To show Zimm who the tough guy in the 'hood was? That was really necessary, wasn't it? Saving face by losing a life in exchange for salvaged pride really doesn't make very good sense...to me.

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Old 04-27-2012, 09:08 AM   #1119
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TM had a cell phone. He knew he was being followed. Why did he not ,if he felt threatened, call 911 ?
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:58 AM   #1120
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TM had a cell phone. He knew he was being followed. Why did he not ,if he felt threatened, call 911 ?
I have asked that very same question on this thread many times. He had options open to him that he simply ignored, it appears.

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Old 04-27-2012, 11:34 PM   #1121
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Hindsight is always 20/20, isn't it?

I'm sure Zim would have done a lot differently as well given the chance of a do-over...
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Old 04-28-2012, 04:37 AM   #1122
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The discovery of over $200K that was hidden from the judge at the bond hearing throws a new light on things. Either Zimmerman's lawyer lied or Zimmerman didn't tell him about it. Either way his credibility is in question. We all know that lawyers are paid liars, but when one of them is caught red handed, there should be consequences. In this case, there probably won't be. It is open question whether Zimmerman's bond will even be raised.
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Old 04-28-2012, 06:10 AM   #1123
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The discovery of over $200K that was hidden from the judge at the bond hearing throws a new light on things. Either Zimmerman's lawyer lied or Zimmerman didn't tell him about it. Either way his credibility is in question. We all know that lawyers are paid liars, but when one of them is caught red handed, there should be consequences. In this case, there probably won't be. It is open question whether Zimmerman's bond will even be raised.
If the judge raises his bond he admits that he screwed up the original bond hearing. The defendants ability to raise money for his defense shouldnt be a factor. What happens if he does raise it, and then zimmerman raises another 200k? Does he haul him back in? There are ethical problems with that approach.
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Old 04-28-2012, 06:31 AM   #1124
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Hindsight is always 20/20, isn't it?

I'm sure Zim would have done a lot differently as well given the chance of a do-over...
Yeah, you're right, of course. Even the common sense action of Martin trucking on home, after visual contact had been lost, is a great afterthought.

Remind me, again, just how Martin's course of action was "imprudent'. Using the brilliance of "hindsight", just how would you have done things differently (wisely) if you had been in Martin's shoes?

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Yeah, you're right, of course. Even the common sense action of Martin trucking on home, after visual contact had been lost, is a great afterthought.

Remind me, again, just how Martin's course of action was "imprudent'. Using the brilliance of "hindsight", just how would you have done things differently (wisely) if you had been in Martin's shoes?

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