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10-29-2022, 08:20 AM
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First futures pool
First futures pool is due out Tuesday. Not only is this 3 day pool being run ahead of the breeders but there may be up to 40 entries including the all others. I know some here have no interest in these pools but of those that do, any thoughts or comments on the expanded field? just curious as to what others think.
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10-30-2022, 02:49 AM
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Just saw that myself. Not only is if 40, but they are going to run 6 pools. Guess they need more gamblers than horse players. Lets see if they run 40 sires?
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10-30-2022, 10:25 AM
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I'm just wondering what the odds will be for the field. Is the 40 entries going to help the "others" odds stay a little higher or is the fact that Baffert horses are going to be field horses and Cave Run, who on paper is supposed to romp in the breeders juvenile, is one of the Baffert horses. I normally just play exactas in the early pools including the field, but with 40 horses I don't know if I will be able to narrow the field enough to keep the cost to a minimum. Although the payouts might be higher with the large field, or people could be turned off by so many entries and not play the futures until the later ones thereby reducing the total pool.
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10-30-2022, 10:34 PM
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Back when I started and found that only 4 out of 23 horses in pool 1 ended up in the derby, I never made a bet until pool 3 or pool 4. When they started the points system, i bet the ten point races, but that is a waste of time and money as well. Only the 50pt and 100pt races matter now, they are both win and your in. When you look at the changes in trail, esp this year with the 5 new 20 pt races, guess they are trying to raise the low end to get in.
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10-31-2022, 10:08 AM
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Seems pretty crazy to leave Cave Rock off the list. He is the favorite at the Vegas books.
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10-31-2022, 12:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PalaceOfFortLarned
Seems pretty crazy to leave Cave Rock off the list. He is the favorite at the Vegas books.
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Until he's officially non-Baffert, he'll remain off the list. That should come in time.
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10-31-2022, 05:05 PM
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It's nice going into the Derby with most of my exacta wagers already on the books through the future pools and usually with superior probable pays. I also like the future pools because of the ALL OTHERS option, particularly with exacta plays, but not sure what to think of the expanded field. One one hand, one will get better value, on the other hand, the ALL option is a little more diluted (for lack of better word). I'll probably take a couple horses over and under the ALL then take the ALL over a few others. I'm not particularly excited about any specific horse just yet.
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10-31-2022, 05:35 PM
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The pools are just a gamble, your betting a horse makes it to the derby. bumping it up to 40 per pool, think I will just box the sires, and hope. At least going all in that bet, you know your going to have horses in the race.
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11-01-2022, 01:17 PM
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Just seems like a terrible week to open the first pool.
You would think... they'd have the pps on the website before opening. Great Job 
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11-01-2022, 03:00 PM
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There's some sort of glitch on Xpressbet. If you try to bet on horses 33 thru 40, the bet automatically doubles in cost?
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11-02-2022, 11:01 AM
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I saw this available on Twinspires yesterday. But today it does not show up. Wondering what is going on with it?
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11-02-2022, 12:01 PM
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Never mind. Is available again.
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11-04-2022, 06:54 PM
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https://www.kentuckyderby.com/upload...dds-Pool-1.pdf
Closing Odds
edit: Future pool #1 is down $173,001. (compared to last year's pool that opened on 11/28/21)
Last edited by Michael; 11-04-2022 at 07:08 PM.
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11-05-2022, 07:04 AM
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Just Deplorable
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Oh, man, I coulda got Cave Rock at 4-5. 
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11-12-2022, 10:42 PM
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Has anyone here actually made money off Pool 1 or even 2 for that matter?
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