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05-06-2022, 10:58 PM
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Race 10 #10 A Vf for me
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#10 Trafalgar was outta the board. $7616 bet on him to win.
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05-07-2022, 10:12 PM
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#227
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Here is a few more of those that I found in the fines & suspensions at the Standardbred Canada site.
MACDONALD,BRETT A
AGCO - FAILING TO SET A PACE COMPARABLE TO CLASS
Commission Rule Number : 22.05.01(K)
Date Issued : 23-Apr-2022
Total Due : 200.00
Violation Occurred : Race 4 at WOODBINE MOHAWK PARK on 23-Apr-2022
Called the driver of # 9 Twin B Heart Throb, Brett Macdonald, regarding the
2nd ¼ in 31 seconds. Fractions were 26.4, 57.4, 126.4, 153.2. Violation AGCO
Standardbred Rule 22.05.01(k) failing to set a pace comparable to the class. $200
monetary penalty. Ruling 1687846
THERRES,ROD
BC - SLOW QUARTER
FAILING TO MAINTAIN A PACE COMPARABLE TO WHICH THE CALIBRE OF HORSES IN THE RACE
ARE CAPABLE OF, RESULTING IN AN EXCESSIVELY SLOW QUARTER OR ANY OTHER DISTANCE
Commission Rule Number : 248 (1) (L)
Date Issued : 10-Mar-2022
Total Due : 300.00
Violation Occurred : Race 5 at FRASER DOWNS on 07-Mar-2022 horse ROCKIN MYSTERY
HENRIKSEN,DAGFIN E
AGCO - FAILING TO SET A PACE COMPARABLE TO CLASS
Commission Rule Number : 22.05.01 (K)
Date Issued : 28-Feb-2022
Total Due : 200.00
Violation Occurred : Race 8 at WOODBINE MOHAWK PARK on 28-Feb-2022 horse PERFETTO
That $200 fine is meaningless. The connections of the winning horse would be most willing to pay the fine for the driver for a major share of the purse money any day any time.
Back in the day at Blue Bonnets things got so worse with the slow pace, that they started to DQ the front runner if he cuts slow fractions even if the horse was the favorite. You could tell from the mumblings in the crowds after a couple of DQs that all was not well for the racetrack. There was a such a hue and cry from indignant fans and they even threatened to boycott the track if they continued with the DQing. The track got the message and they stopped doing what they were doing.
About the criteria the judges are using to fine the driver can best be seen in the Bret MacDonald's case.
The fractions which are all interrelated were the following for the race
26.4--57.4--1:26.4--1:53.2
The judges cited the 31 second 2nd qtr as the culprit and hence the fine for the slow pace. What the judges don't understand is that the fractions in a race is all interrelated as I mentioned before.
Hypothetically speaking I ask the judges if the 2nd qtr had gone 2 secs faster ie 55.4 would the driver still have been fined or not because with a 55.4 half then the 3rd qtr would have been a slow 31 secs.
I have been a keen and avid student of pace for the last 30 years and I still don't have all the answers.
I have learned to live with the slow miles as a matter of reality and I suggest you do the same.
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I'm on the drivers side on this one as I think you are. If they can get on the front end and eke out a win by saving ground, that's what good driving is about. Seems insulting to fine someone for a winning effort. Almost like a tax on having a successful strategy.
Especially true for a horse that has been consistently tiring on the front end.
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05-27-2022, 06:54 PM
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#228
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Mohawk May 27
Race 1 #5 Sporty Tori A very VF to say the least.
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05-27-2022, 07:16 PM
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Race 1 #5 Sporty Tori A very VF to say the least.
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Sporty Tori Finished a no threat 4th as 6/5 favorite. $7778 bet on her to win.
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05-27-2022, 08:26 PM
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Race 4 #8 Trafalgar A Vf for me.
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05-27-2022, 08:43 PM
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Race 4 #8 Trafalgar A Vf for me.
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Trafalgar finished 2nd. $6769 bet on him to win.
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05-28-2022, 07:55 PM
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Mohawk May 28
Race 3 #3 Rockme Rollme A VF for me
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05-28-2022, 08:03 PM
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Race 3 #3 Rockme Rollme A VF for me
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Rockme Rollme was the 2nd favorite in here and came in 2nd, $6109 bet on him to win.
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05-28-2022, 09:08 PM
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Race 6 #2 The Boss Said he wont be in the exacta or the tri. A VF for me
Gotta listen to the Boss.
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05-29-2022, 01:16 AM
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Race 6 #2 The Boss Said he wont be in the exacta or the tri. A VF for me
Gotta listen to the Boss.
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The Boss Said did finish 2nd as the 2nd favorite. $5745 bet on him to win.
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05-30-2022, 09:38 PM
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Mohawk May 30
Race 7#5 Amazon Duharas A stale date, poor performance lines, a weak trainer and 2-1 odds. A VF for me
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05-30-2022, 09:47 PM
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#237
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Race 7#5 Amazon Duharas A stale date, poor performance lines, a weak trainer and 2-1 odds. A VF for me
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Poor PPs or not, A stale or not, A poor trainer or not Amazon Duharas still wins this race at 2-1.
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06-02-2022, 09:55 PM
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Mohawk Jun 2
Race 8 #7 is the the 2nd fav in here. A VF for me
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06-02-2022, 10:01 PM
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Race 8 #7 is the the 2nd fav in here. A VF for me
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#7 Take Command ended up as the 4/5 favorite in the race and finished a weak third. $8340 bet on him to win.
Last edited by Sea Biscuit; 06-02-2022 at 10:05 PM.
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06-03-2022, 07:32 PM
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#240
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Race 2 #4 Chiefs Dream Beach A VF for me.
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