Turn Time

[Capper Al]

Turn Time is good for me to guess at form of cheaper horses, but does anyone here have another use for it?

[DRIVEWAY]

Couple solid TT(wide comments) with Jockey change for value opportunities

[Tom]

I like to see my closers begin their moves in the second fraction rather than wait until the stretch. I also use it to separate the front runners. Friday, that horse Pandy talked about at KEE in the 8th was deficient in F1, but he was outstanding in TT, so what looked like a bad break and a rush up really was how he runs.
His BRIS numbers for E1 and E2 were 100 114, so his TT was +14. Work All Week had a 107 - 115, +8 TT.

Two ratings I use TT in are BRIS LP + TT for turf races, and TT + E2 to look at early and pressers. That is an old Sartin Contender Factor.

[upthecreek]

Originally Posted by Capper Al

Turn Time is good for me to guess at form of cheaper horses, but does anyone here have another use for it?

Here's a link to a discussion and a neat little program:
http://www.thorotech.com/freestuff/turntime.html

[Capper Al]

Originally Posted by Tom

I like to see my closers begin their moves in the second fraction rather than wait until the stretch. I also use it to separate the front runners. Friday, that horse Pandy talked about at KEE in the 8th was deficient in F1, but he was outstanding in TT, so what looked like a bad break and a rush up really was how he runs.
His BRIS numbers for E1 and E2 were 100 114, so his TT was +14. Work All Week had a 107 - 115, +8 TT.

Two ratings I use TT in are BRIS LP + TT for turf races, and TT + E2 to look at early and pressers. That is an old Sartin Contender Factor.

Thanks Tom. These are the things that I'm trying to remember. Did Scott use second call(E2) + TT for his ability time?

[Capper Al]

Originally Posted by upthecreek

Here's a link to a discussion and a neat little program:
http://www.thorotech.com/freestuff/turntime.html

That pretty much points to the conflicting camps, FPS vs Pace Pars. Right now I'm leaning towards Pace Pars because BRIS makes it so easy, E2 - E1. And my default is for pars unless proven otherwise. To be fair, I do use FPS to build an alternate speed figure which BRIS has beaten up in reviewing of a few hundred races.

Thanks

[Tom]

AL, I don't remember - I think it was that or close to it.....I'll have to look that up.

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by Capper Al

That pretty much points to the conflicting camps, FPS vs Pace Pars. Right now I'm leaning towards Pace Pars because BRIS makes it so easy, E2 - E1. And my default is for pars unless proven otherwise. To be fair, I do use FPS to build an alternate speed figure which BRIS has beaten up in reviewing of a few hundred races.

Thanks

This is always a good idea to develop an alternative to verify a figure has validity since you're creating as an individual you need a way to ensure your method is valid.

[Cratos]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

This is always a good idea to develop an alternative to verify a figure has validity since you're creating as an individual you need a way to ensure your method is valid.

I am confused by your post; what are validating or are your verifying?

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by Cratos

I am confused by your post; what are validating or are your verifying?

Originally Posted by Capper Al

That pretty much points to the conflicting camps, FPS vs Pace Pars. Right now I'm leaning towards Pace Pars because BRIS makes it so easy, E2 - E1. And my default is for pars unless proven otherwise. To be fair, I do use FPS to build an alternate speed figure which BRIS has beaten up in reviewing of a few hundred races.

Thanks

I was responding that it was a good idea to have an alternative to using Pace Pars by using FPS to build an alternate speed figure. And, if the results provide similar results it would lend credence that both are valid. I always try to double check my work as I go along.

[ldiatone]

Originally Posted by Capper Al

Thanks Tom. These are the things that I'm trying to remember. Did Scott use second call(E2) + TT for his ability time?

dick mitchell AT

[Cratos]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

I was responding that it was a good idea to have an alternative to using Pace Pars by using FPS to build an alternate speed figure. And, if the results provide similar results it would lend credence that both are valid. I always try to double check my work as I go along.

OK I understand; thanks for the clarification

[Capper Al]

Originally Posted by ldiatone

dick mitchell AT

Thanks

[Capper Al]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

I was responding that it was a good idea to have an alternative to using Pace Pars by using FPS to build an alternate speed figure. And, if the results provide similar results it would lend credence that both are valid. I always try to double check my work as I go along.

I guess that's why I keep them around.

[Racey]

Always find TT in interesting and profitable angle.