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08-29-2012, 01:44 PM
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Keeneland Synthetic
i have heard a rumor that the synthetic experiment at Keeneland is about to end with the spring meet of 2013. this year some of the large trainers are not accepting the stalls that keeneland is offering them and staying at Belmont until the Gulfstream meet.
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08-29-2012, 02:11 PM
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That would be great - back to dirt?
Sounds too good to be true.
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08-29-2012, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
That would be great - back to dirt?
Sounds too good to be true.
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don't hold your breath because Keeneland sells the stuff.
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08-29-2012, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lamboguy
don't hold your breath because Keeneland sells the stuff.
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I doubt if that is much of a factor.
The market is not very big for this product.
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08-29-2012, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lamboguy
don't hold your breath because Keeneland sells the stuff.
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not anymore
http://www.drf.com/news/keeneland-ma...ny-partnership
Now that Nick Nicholson has retired (or is about to) one can see a few changes coming to Keeneland in the not to distant future.
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08-29-2012, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Gobbi
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thank you for that one, now i would say that the rumor i heard has a good shot to be truth. they are going to have a horrible meet this fall, so i guess they are going to have to do something to bring back the horses for the next year.
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08-29-2012, 04:06 PM
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I hope not. The synthetic is just fine, the previous dirt surface wasn't.
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08-29-2012, 04:30 PM
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Keeneland is the only track I have great success with polytrack or synthetic surface.
AP, PID, TP, DMR, HP I do not.
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08-29-2012, 04:46 PM
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I can't say I have been successful at kee but I have hit a few monsters.
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08-29-2012, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tbwinner
Keeneland is the only track I have great success with polytrack or synthetic surface.
AP, PID, TP, DMR, HP I do not.
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The one I have the least luck with is Presque Isle - maybe I should just treat that one as a dirt track.
Turfway and Keeneland are fairly consistent once a pattern has set in, in the case of Turfway it's definitely weather related (cold weather = speed bias), for Keeneland it seems to be the same for the entire meeting but not the same for every meeting.
In general, tactical speed and jockey intelligence are important factors on any synthetic surface imo. Neither of those factors is easy to put into numbers, it requires a bit more reading between the lines !
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08-29-2012, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gm10
The one I have the least luck with is Presque Isle - maybe I should just treat that one as a dirt track.
Turfway and Keeneland are fairly consistent once a pattern has set in, in the case of Turfway it's definitely weather related (cold weather = speed bias), for Keeneland it seems to be the same for the entire meeting but not the same for every meeting.
In general, tactical speed and jockey intelligence are important factors on any synthetic surface imo. Neither of those factors is easy to put into numbers, it requires a bit more reading between the lines !
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it'a funny because Lingfield Park in England has a similar bias to Turfway's
=> during cold weather, the surface becomes highly conductive to speed, whereas the normal state of affairs is that you can make up a decent amount of ground in the stretch
not exactly sure why, I think you need a Phd in polymers for that!
Last edited by gm10; 08-29-2012 at 05:22 PM.
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08-30-2012, 08:44 PM
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I would certainly welcome a change back to "Racing As It Was Meant To Be."
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08-30-2012, 08:52 PM
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I do well there. The AW track is a little bit less beatable than the turf course. But the turf course is very beatable, so it's all good.
I don't see how going back to BULL RING racing on the dirt track would be an upgrade. Sucks that the AW whiners just won't go away. But, I suppose, they were all winners before AWS came around and will go back to being winners when all these tracks return to dirt. 
Last edited by Itamaraca; 08-30-2012 at 08:53 PM.
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08-30-2012, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BMustang
I would certainly welcome a change back to "Racing As It Was Meant To Be."
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On grass, over hill and dale?
I'm all down with that.
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08-30-2012, 09:06 PM
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keeneland (like other tracks) seems to have shifting bias.
helps if you play it day to day to notice if speeds or closers are doing well.
not sure if the schedule for the sales schedule has anything to do with track maintenance or not. They have pre sale under-tack shows where 2yos may run a furlong under 10 flat.
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