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Blenheim · 03-11-2012, 01:07 PM

I usually don't post here because I consider doing so a waste of energy, but I've had a couple of strong cups of coffee this fine late morning early afternoon and I couldn't help but start a thread and post a few final words about the HBO movie Game Change. I turned on the HBO last night and got to watch the movie and though it was rather compelling. That gal from Alaska sure took some tough hits. Fine acting by Julianne Moore and Woody Harrelson.

Politics . . . tough and awful game. Thank goodness for horse racing!

lsbets · 03-11-2012, 01:19 PM

The Palin die hards are slamming the movie and McCain made the obligatory comments favorable to her. However, the movie follows just about every report that came out of the election and the portrayal of her follows what a lot of people reported in the lead up to the 2010 elections when she alienated most of the grassroots organizers across the country. I liked the movie and in one scene it made me more sympathetic to her - a woman thrust into the national spotlight, totally unprepared, with a newborn, a pregnant teenaged daughter, and a son deploying to Iraq. That is an enormous amount of pressure to put anyone under, and had me feeling a bit sorry for her.

schweitz · 03-11-2012, 01:57 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywo...es-game-change

lsbets · 03-11-2012, 02:17 PM

That supposed deconstruction of the movie doesn't do a very good job of it. I usually like the Breitbart stuff, but that piece wasn't worth a homework assignment in my son's 4th grade class.

I am amazed that people still follow her and defend her. She can't answer basic questions during the election, quits as governor when the spotlight is on her, has still not shown the ability to understand policy on anything but a basic level, and sets herself up to constantly be the center of attention. And people adore her. I don't get it.

ArlJim78 · 03-11-2012, 02:36 PM

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That supposed deconstruction of the movie doesn't do a very good job of it. I usually like the Breitbart stuff, but that piece wasn't worth a homework assignment in my son's 4th grade class.

I am amazed that people still follow her and defend her. She can't answer basic questions during the election, quits as governor when the spotlight is on her, has still not shown the ability to understand policy on anything but a basic level, and sets herself up to constantly be the center of attention. And people adore her. I don't get it.

so I gather that you don't follow or defend her, so what compelled you to watch the movie?

lsbets · 03-11-2012, 02:43 PM

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so I gather that you don't follow or defend her, so what compelled you to watch the movie?

Because it was interesting and is an interesting subject.

Did you watch the movie?

And better yet, do you think she is qualified to be President?

ArlJim78 · 03-11-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lsbets

Because it was interesting and is an interesting subject.

Did you watch the movie?

And better yet, do you think she is qualified to be President?

no i didn't watch it, I'd never watch anything on HBO.

my guess is that people who watched the HBO movie were not Palin fans and were looking to see her cast in an unflattering light. I would watch a documentary on the 2008 election if it was done right. but a production from people with a political agenda doesn't interest me.

will you also be watching "The Undefeated" on Reelz tonight?

Of course she's qualified to be president. is she the best person around for the job? No, but she's George Washington compared to Obama.

Tom · 03-11-2012, 03:40 PM

If she were president, obviously, she would have a far better team in place behind than the current moron in the WH, and we would undoubtedly be better off that are today.

On the old PA board, I posted that I did not really like W, but that there was always a possibility of a major terror attack or war, and that he would bring the best team with him to handle a national emergency. Same thing here. I vote for the team.

lsbets · 03-11-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

no i didn't watch it, I'd never watch anything on HBO.

my guess is that people who watched the HBO movie were not Palin fans and were looking to see her cast in an unflattering light. I would watch a documentary on the 2008 election if it was done right. but a production from people with a political agenda doesn't interest me.

will you also be watching "The Undefeated" on Reelz tonight?

Of course she's qualified to be president. is she the best person around for the job? No, but she's George Washington compared to Obama.

I don't even know what Reelz is, so I doubt it.

Isn't that the propaganda movie made to glorify the quitter? Its a pretty ironic title for a movie about someone who couldn't handle the pressure of a single term as governor of Alaska.

You seriously think she has what it takes to be President?

Please tell me how she is qualified. And saying she is qualified because Obama wasn't qualified doesn't cut it. He was not qualified and is a colossal failure. She would be no different.

lsbets · 03-11-2012, 03:47 PM

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If she were president, obviously, she would have a far better team in place behind than the current moron in the WH, and we would undoubtedly be better off that are today.
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Yes she would have a much better team, but she would still have to make the ultimate decisions. She has done nothing to show that should would make the right decisions when faced with differing advice from her advisers.

Tom · 03-11-2012, 03:53 PM

I think she would listen to her people, who are not the same slime ball Obama surround himself with. She is not my first ( or second choice) but on any list, she is above Obama.

lsbets · 03-11-2012, 03:57 PM

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I think she would listen to her people, who are not the same slime ball Obama surround himself with. She is not my first ( or second choice) but on any list, she is above Obama.

Tom, I would put you above Obama, but that doesn't mean I want your finger on the trigger.

What would she do when her advisers give her conflicting advice? I have no confidence she would make the right choice without it being handed to her.

Tom · 03-11-2012, 03:59 PM

Not to worry about the trigger, but you have been warned about the coordinates!

highnote · 03-11-2012, 05:45 PM

I have read often in posts here on PA the opinion that Obama is the worst president ever. I would argue Obama is not the worst, just the one that some people like the least.

Here are some objective numbers that, in my opinion, are important factors in rating presidents: The increase or decrease in the Unemployment Rate and S&P 500 index during their term.

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GHWB 1989        5.4                            286       
     1993        7.4            37%             436       52%

Clinton 1993     7.3                            436
        2001     3.9           -46.5%          1342      210%

GWB 2001         4.2                           1342
    2009         7.3            74%             832     -263%

Obama 2009       7.8                            850
      2012       8.3             0.6%          1370      163%

Under the first Bush, Unemployment increased 37%, but the S&P 500 also increased 52%. Bush also started and ended the Persian Gulf War.

Clinton inherited a domestic economy on the decline. He turned things around by decreasing unemployment by a whopping 46% and tripling the S&P 500. The World Trade Center was bombed shortly after he took office. This occured on his watch, but never happened again while he was president. Hard to say whether this was the fault of the previous admin not giving his admin good info or if it was a failure of his admin. I am of the belief that you have to blame the people in charge today -- not the people who were in charge.

GWB took office in 2001 and in his 8 years unemployment rose by an ugly 74% and the S&P 500 fell by 263% from 1342 to 832. That is just pathetic. The World Trade Center was bombed shortly after he took office. As I wrote earlier, you have to blame the people in charge. Bush is to blame for the WTC bombing. He knew it happened under Clinton. He should have been prepared. Bush started, but didn't finish the Iraq and Afganistan Wars and left the economy in shambles and like his father, left the door open for the democrats to win the office of the president.

Obama took office in 2009 and has had only a 3 year track record on which to judge him. Unemployment has risen by a slim 0.6% and the S&P 500 is up 163% to an all time high of 1370. He ended the Iraq War and eliminated Bin Laden. There has not been a major terrorist attack on U.S. soil under his watch.

Now, there are a lot of other factors to judge a president on. War and the domestic economy are the only two presented here because they are discussed a lot.

I think it is too early to call Obama the worst or best president. Obama is better than either of the Bushes on unemployment and stock market returns, but he still has 9 months in which to screw things up. Of the four listed above, Clinton gets the best marks, but the WTC attacks are big negative.

I am interested in hearing what other obective factors people find important.

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http://www.miseryindex.us/urbymonth.asp

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http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=%5EGSPC&a=00&b=3&c=1989&d=00&e=25&f=1993&g=w&z=66&y=198

JustRalph · 03-11-2012, 06:56 PM

It's a hit job timed to be released in the middle of the primary season.

Tom Hanks and Company produced the movie to try and stop any momentum Palin might have by this time.

I would take a common sense approach like Palin applies compared to any of the Ivy League Assholes we have elected over the last 200 years, in a minute. She of course isn't the best qualified to be prez. but she is a far sight better than a ton of others.

LS, I have all the respect in the world for you, but somewhere down inside you got programmed against her early on. As that may be, she is nowhere near the person portrayed in this movie. Anybody who has followed her, especially her evolution over the last 3 years, would be crying out for her over Obama.

The Dems/Libs and Tom Hanks et al wasted their money by assuming she would be running. They will just hold this little gem in their hip pocket and re-run it every six months for the next 4 years.