How much $$ needs to be in the WPS pool to change the morning line?

[Longshot6977]

Quick question guys.
Does anybody know how much money needs to be in the WPS pools to change the morning line odds? I always thought it was $600. I was watching a harness race the other nite (forgot which track) and at 1 MTP, the current odds were still the same as the ML odds. One flash later, they finally changed as they were approaching the gate. There was a bit over $600 in the WPS pools. Just wondering if anyone knows. Thanks.

[davew]

$2 in win pool, the Place and Show are not used

whatever you were watching was still stuck on ML

[Longshot6977]

Originally Posted by davew

$2 in win pool, the Place and Show are not used

Sorry, that can't be correct. I knew many years back it was a requirement to have at least $600 in the pool until the monitors displayed the current odds. The odds won't change on the monitor if just $2 is in the win pool. I realize the odds DO mathematically change even with $2 or $100, but what I mean is the monitors will not display the correct odds until at least ($600?) is in the pool. Does anyone know if that is still true. It happens a lot at small harness tracks.

[therussmeister]

I'm guessing it's up to each individual track, although most probably use the same standard. Now I'm going to waste time tomorrow watching the tote board trying to figure it out.

[TravisVOX]

Depends on the track. You can set the minimum to whatever you want.

[davew]

Originally Posted by Longshot6977

Sorry, that can't be correct. I knew many years back it was a requirement to have at least $600 in the pool until the monitors displayed the current odds. The odds won't change on the monitor if just $2 is in the win pool. I realize the odds DO mathematically change even with $2 or $100, but what I mean is the monitors will not display the correct odds until at least ($600?) is in the pool. Does anyone know if that is still true. It happens a lot at small harness tracks.

Has to be track dependant, possibly state racing commission rule - what track are you asking about?

[The Hawk]

Generally it's $1,000.

[Longshot6977]

Originally Posted by therussmeister

Now I'm going to waste time tomorrow watching the tote board trying to figure it out.

Did you come to any conclusions or observations yet?

[sammy the sage]

this WHOLE topic is akin to....how much does my dog eat..

Well do you have a WEINER dog...or...a GREAT Dane.....seriously...

Gotta REPHRASE the question SIR....as to WHICH track before a LEGIT QUESS could be given....

[therussmeister]

Originally Posted by Longshot6977

Did you come to any conclusions or observations yet?

Mostly I forgot about it. Whenever I looked early on the odds had already moved.

[davew]

Originally Posted by Longshot6977

Did you come to any conclusions or observations yet?

Just you can't even remember what track. I have bet at dogtracks where the closing win pool is under $200 (and they have no trouble changing the odds).

[Longshot6977]

Originally Posted by davew

Just you can't even remember what track. I have bet at dogtracks where the closing win pool is under $200 (and they have no trouble changing the odds).

I usually notice it at small pool harness tracks like Balmoral, Pocono, Fraser etc. It didn't matter exactly what track, my question was a general one, and not about dog tracks. Someone mentioned $1000 and that could be correct for the track they use. I guess the amount depends on the specific track like someone else mentioned. The next time I see 1 or 2 MTP and the odds shown are still the ML odds, I'll post the info. I do remember many years ago Yonkers wouldn't post the actual odds until $600 was in the WPS pools. A mutuel clerk told me. Thanks.

[HuggingTheRail]

Originally Posted by Longshot6977

I usually notice it at small pool harness tracks like Balmoral, Pocono, Fraser etc. It didn't matter exactly what track, my question was a general one, and not about dog tracks. Someone mentioned $1000 and that could be correct for the track they use. I guess the amount depends on the specific track like someone else mentioned. The next time I see 1 or 2 MTP and the odds shown are still the ML odds, I'll post the info. I do remember many years ago Yonkers wouldn't post the actual odds until $600 was in the WPS pools. A mutuel clerk told me. Thanks.

For a while, Fraser was $200 in the win pool, but that some time ago....haven't really paid attention recently.

[clocker7]

For the longest time, most US racetracks used equipment and operators from Amtote on a lease basis, paying a percentage of the gross to do so (NY had their own systems after awhile). I presume that Amtote set the parameters for their computational processes, but that's just a guess. What goes on now might be similar, but I doubt that there is any great plot involved to mislead anyone.

[Valuist]

I always thought it changed over the instant after the previous race was declared official.