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Old 04-01-2014, 07:56 AM   #1
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"Restoring America's Wire Act"

New anti online gambling bill introduced by the usual suspects. Does anyone know how or if this could change ADW betting? So sick of these ridciculous crooked hypocrite politicians looking for donations from their buddies in the land based casino/vegas racket.
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Old 04-01-2014, 08:02 AM   #2
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Just realized they released the text of the bill today on govtrack.... Sorry.... anyhow it looks like ADW betting will still be protected however it will be detrimental to the future of online poker, casino and sports betting some day.





II

113th CONGRESS

2d Session

S. 2159

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

March 26, 2014

Mr. Graham (for himself, Mr. Lee, Ms. Ayotte, and Mrs. Feinstein) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

A BILL

To restore long-standing United States policy that the Wire Act prohibits all forms of Internet gambling, and for other purposes.

1.Short title

This Act may be cited as the “Restoration of America's Wire Act”.

2.Wire Act clarification

Section 1084 of title 18, United States Code, is amended—

(1)in subsection (a)—

(A)by striking “bets or wagers or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest,” and inserting “any bet or wager, or information assisting in the placing of any bet or wager,”;

(B)by striking “result of bets or wagers” and inserting “result of any bet or wager”; and

(C)by striking “placing of bets or wagers” and inserting “placing of any bet or wager”; and

(2)by striking subsection (e) and inserting the following:

(e)As used in this section—

(1)the term bet or wager does not include any activities set forth in section 5362(1)(E) of title 31;

(2)the term State means a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or a commonwealth, territory, or possession of the United States;

(3)the term uses a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of any bet or wager includes any transmission over the Internet carried interstate or in foreign commerce, incidentally or otherwise; and

(4)the term wire communication has the meaning given the term in section 3 of the Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 153).

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3.Rule of construction

Nothing in this Act, or the amendments made by this Act, shall be construed—

(1)to preempt any State law prohibiting gambling; or

(2)to alter, limit, or extend—

(A)the relationship between the Interstate Horseracing Act of 1978 (15 U.S.C. 3001 et seq.) and other Federal laws in effect on the date of enactment of this Act;

(B)the ability of a State licensed lottery retailer to make in-person, computer-generated retail lottery sales under applicable Federal and State laws in effect on the date of the enactment of this Act; or

(C)the relationship between Federal laws and State charitable gaming laws in effect on the date of the enactment of this Act.
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Old 04-01-2014, 09:33 AM   #3
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New anti online gambling bill introduced by the usual suspects. Does anyone know how or if this could change ADW betting? So sick of these ridciculous crooked hypocrite politicians looking for donations from their buddies in the land based casino/vegas racket.
While Sen. Feinstein may or may not be a tool of the land based casinos. The other 3 senators are firmly in the "gambling is a sin" group of that want shove their religious beliefs on the rest of us. It would not take much of a push from the land based casino lobby to spur them into action on a bill such as this.
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Old 04-01-2014, 09:47 AM   #4
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Adelson wants to use his power and influence to push this thru. Of course in his case, it has nothing to do with religion. Its all about Las Vegas Sands and wanting to keep the stranglehold Nevada has on gambling.
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Adelson wants to use his power and influence to push this thru. Of course in his case, it has nothing to do with religion. Its all about Las Vegas Sands and wanting to keep the stranglehold Nevada has on gambling.
My point is that Adelson and his well publicized war on internet gambling does not have to spend much effort to get the likes of Lee, Graham and Ayotte. They are there for his asking. Some other senators on the other hand need more convincing. As some of the other casinos enter the fray opposing Adelson, those senators can not be moved by opposing forces while others will. Adelson has a ready made army of basically volunteers to go with his mercenaries whiled his opponents will have to use all mercenaries.
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Old 04-01-2014, 10:26 AM   #6
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Goren this has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with people trying to shove their religious beliefs on us.
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Old 04-01-2014, 10:33 AM   #7
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Goren this has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with people trying to shove their religious beliefs on us.
Yet, it's a bill that makes these law makers look good to the religious right - if it ever got passed.
They could never vote against it, either, and hope to maintain contribution levels.
In an indirect way, it's a banner for the religious right. Just doesn't carry the same clout as abortion.

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Old 04-01-2014, 10:47 AM   #8
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In Sunday's local paper the owner of the Atlantis hotel said that despite the fact that they have an online gaming license, they would not be pursuing poker because (as you guys have alluded to) they believe it will stop people from walking into casinos.
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Old 04-01-2014, 11:07 AM   #9
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In Sunday's local paper the owner of the Atlantis hotel said that despite the fact that they have an online gaming license, they would not be pursuing poker because (as you guys have alluded to) they believe it will stop people from walking into casinos.
Dave,

We both know this NV casino philosophy has existed for decades.
Same goes for the multi-state Super Lotto.
43 states now carry that huge lotto jackpot.
Naturally, NV is not one of them.

Don't you think it would be more beneficial to the casinos to have lotto kiosks in order to get people in their doors?

Sometimes, I think the casino execs can't see much further than their noses.
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Goren this has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with people trying to shove their religious beliefs on us.
Are you saying the senators with moral concerns about gambling are going to vote against the bill because the lobby has promised them more money. I don't think so. Adelson starts out with about 20 anti-gambling senators in his hip pocket. I know you want to pretend that those religious right senators that you like are doing it only because they have been bought off. But that is not the case. Contrary to popular belief here, some politicians have a few core beliefs that aren't for sale.
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Of all the things they could be doing that are important, this is not on that list. Gambling is our God-given right and these bottom feeders have no right to interfere - vote them all out of office at the first opportunity.
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Old 04-01-2014, 12:21 PM   #12
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Nevada

Nevada Gaming Control used to just love the Wire Act when it came to sports betting.
They would try and catch the runners who were betting for out-of-state bookmakers.
They nailed a few, but never could stamp it out.
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Are you saying the senators with moral concerns about gambling are going to vote against the bill because the lobby has promised them more money. I don't think so. Adelson starts out with about 20 anti-gambling senators in his hip pocket. I know you want to pretend that those religious right senators that you like are doing it only because they have been bought off. But that is not the case. Contrary to popular belief here, some politicians have a few core beliefs that aren't for sale.
I'm saying any moral concerns being discussed are a ruse, a cover story. it's about money and protectionism like every other issue. If you believe that senators are ready to back an Adelson plan based strictly on moral or religious grounds you're living in a dreamworld.

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I'm saying any moral concerns being discussed are a ruse, a cover story. it's about money and protectionism like every other issue. If you believe that senators are ready to back an Adelson plan based strictly on moral or religious grounds you're living in a dreamworld.
It is not morality for Adelson, it about money. If it were just about money for the senators, the UIGEA would not be the law of the land. The online poker companies could have bought off enough congressmen to get it repealed. Start talking to your elected representatives and you will find out how they feel about gambling in a hurry. You will find out in a hurry that it is you who is living that dream land if you think the legalized gambling can always be bought. For the record, I think the bill in question will never face an up or down vote. If it is passed, it will part of some giant catchall bill have nothing to do gambling. It will take somebody in the leadership to sneak it in like Kyl did the UIGEA. If you want to stop this bill, you need to vigilant. If you let your guard down for a few hours, it is all over as the online poker companies found out. It is easy to say money buys everything until you actual start to try to get something passed. I was part of an effort to get casino gambling legalized here. It was a real education and was completely different than what I though. I was like you and thought we could buy our bill in. If it were only that easy.
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I love how Goren loves to portray the availability of gambling (especially online) or lack thereof as the fault of the religious right and the lawmakers who side with them...and then you see this bill with Feinstein (big DEM) attached...

Funny stuff.
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