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02-26-2014, 11:18 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
Posts: 112,815
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What is the best advice you have been given?
What most helped you in this game?
What sage advice did someone give you that set your course for you?
Me, two people.
Doc Sartin - "If you don't have all the information you want, use what information you have."
Mike Pizzola - "Some do, some don't. Next!" Meaning there is another race in 10 minutes. Don't sweat a loss.
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Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
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02-27-2014, 12:25 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 28,548
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The importance of keeping your composure when fate turns against you.
I have a friend who was a high-level online poker player before the government's shutdown of the game. This guy deposited $1,000 with Poker Stars, and started by playing in the $25/no-limit games...and in two years time, he had accumulated a mid six-figure bankroll...and sat in some of the biggest no-limit games that online poker had to offer. A poker-playing GENIUS!
Some years ago... during one of my prolonged losing streaks, both at the track and in poker, I reached out to this man for some advice on what I might be doing wrong in my own game...and he let me watch over his shoulder as he was plying his trade at the online poker tables.
For three consecutive days I watched this guy play 4 tables of high stakes poker simultaneously...and saw him encounter the worst run of bad luck that I've ever seen. Time after time he would put all his money in with tons the best of it...and time after time he would watch as his opponent drew-out on him -- costing him buy-in after buy-in. During the three-day span...my friend lost the astounding (to me) amount of $57,000.
But I never saw him lose confidence in himself...nor did his game disintegrate in any way. He didn't press to try and get even quickly...nor did he take a "break" from the game -- so he could "get his head together". He continued playing with the same cool-headed, well-calculated style...and he managed to record a healthy profit by the end of the month.
"How do you handle these horrible twists of fate?"...I asked him.
"The good captain proves himself in turbulent waters"...he replied, with a smile.
A hundred handicapping books couldn't teach me as much...
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Live to play another day.
Last edited by thaskalos; 02-27-2014 at 12:28 AM.
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02-27-2014, 12:28 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 334
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"It doesn't matter if you lost by a nose or 10 lengths, let it go and move on."
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02-27-2014, 12:38 AM
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Racing Form Detective
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lincoln, Ne but my heart is at Santa Anita
Posts: 16,316
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"Don't try to make a living at this. You're smart, kid, but not that smart" Roy Landis in 1968. He was right.
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
Last edited by Robert Goren; 02-27-2014 at 12:40 AM.
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02-27-2014, 01:07 AM
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Racing Form Detective
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lincoln, Ne but my heart is at Santa Anita
Posts: 16,316
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As for handicapping advice. An old trainer whose name I don't remember if I knew it told. "If they tried something last time( like going to lead) and it didn't work, it isn't going to work today unless something changes." He also said "A cheap horse who starts its season after the circuit biggest meet (in this case Aksarben)is sore and shouldn't be bet after its second race back."
Another old trainer once said" Some jockeys and quite a few trainers can't win a race even if they cheat."
Roy Landis who I mentioned in the other post said that there are horses who love certain kinds tracks and there others who hate them. He was referring not only to the various kinds of muddy tracks, but also certain kinds of fast tracks like cuppy ones as well.
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
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02-27-2014, 01:40 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 18,962
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"If what you are doing isn't working, do something different."
Greyfox
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02-27-2014, 01:49 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Boston+Ocala
Posts: 23,739
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right from my mother's mouth--THOSE THAT TELL DON'T KNOW, AND THOSE THAT KNOW DON'T TELL
her words apply to more than horse racing
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02-27-2014, 02:07 AM
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broken-down horseplayer
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Portland, OR area
Posts: 2,090
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The first book I bought on handicapping was "Betting Thoroughbreds" by Davidowitz in 1984. He explained in great detail how trainer's intent, form cycle, trips and other factors determine a horse's performance, and how the change in factors from race to race contribute to such volatility.
Having been weaned on the much more consistent races on the harness circuit, this was a major eye-opener for me.
In a nutshell, "Horses are not machines..."
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Playing SRU Downs - home of the "no sweat" inquiries...
Defying the "laws" of statistics with every wager.
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02-27-2014, 03:15 AM
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ClassPars
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 31
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"The good captain proves himself in turbulent waters."
I like that. That says a lot to me. I say watch this thread. The info that will rise to the top here in this thread will move the future "moneymakers here" to the expected new heights we so richly deserve. We've got to be in the right place. So please...How do we steer the ship?
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02-27-2014, 03:18 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 131
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Best advice comes from D. Mitchell's books as: "Plan your work; work your plan".
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02-27-2014, 09:05 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 6,626
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Lee Rousso:
"If you are not picking winners, there is no reason to keep betting as if you are."
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02-27-2014, 09:13 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: MILWAUKEE
Posts: 5,285
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I was told that if the mathmatics is sound and your idea is not in left field then the sytem should work. But consistent betting is just as important as consistent handicapping.
In other words, if you make a system and bet against it then exactly what is it that you want?
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Never tell your problems to anyone because 20% flat don't care and 80% are glad they are yours.
No Balls.......No baby!
Have you ever noticed that those who do not have a pot to piss in nor a window to throw it out of always seem to know how to handle the money of those who do.
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02-27-2014, 10:09 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: NY
Posts: 33
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Place every bet like it's your last, and one day you'll be right!
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02-27-2014, 10:21 AM
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Screw PC
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,728
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Doc Sartin - "If you don't have all the information you want, use what information you have."
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I'll vigorously second that sage advice from Doc. I can even remember being in a seminar the first time I heard it.
Not so much in favor of banana man.
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Truth sounds like hate to those who hate truth.
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02-27-2014, 10:22 AM
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Screw PC
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,728
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyfox
"If what you are doing isn't working, do something different."
Greyfox
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That's what I tell my son when his golf swing goes south.
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Truth sounds like hate to those who hate truth.
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