TX elementary school mass shooting

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by green80

Or a shotgun with 00 buckshot, you have 12 approx.9mm pellets in one shot. 3 fast shots and you have 36 9mm pellets covering the area, not much aiming required.

A .223/5.56 is not a particularly lethal round. Just waaaay more than a .22LR.

Again though this is the education component of all of it.

Part of my whole education, registration, background checks, and waiting periods...

None of those should upset any reasonable gun owners at this point but it literally can't even get a vote in Congress.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by PhantomOnTour

So, are you in favor of legalizing ownership of fully automatic weapons?

What are you talking about? Things have not changed in the last 20, and it is very doubtful that there will be any change between now and 20 years after we are gone. First the amount of money you have and what you are willing to part with in order to legally own one is big (very deep pockets), perhaps as it should be. Also is the guy (rare bird) who as a living spends large numbers of months working in other countrys with their automatic guns, on a norm they work for companys who pay the $400 federal tax every time the firearm is moved in transport to destinations and returned to the USA. That $400 federal tax will be here long after we are all gone. You should not be so naive.

[JustRalph]

Some common sense

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...hools-n2607781

My first thought when hearing a radio report was “where was the resource officer”

Oops

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

A .223/5.56 is not a particularly lethal round. Just waaaay more than a .22LR.

Again though this is the education component of all of it.

Part of my whole education, registration, background checks, and waiting periods...

None of those should upset any reasonable gun owners at this point but it literally can't even get a vote in Congress.

As a whole guns were easier to obtain back in the day when mass shootings were rare, than they are today. They need to start strict enforcement of the gun laws that are on the books. The violent felon caught with a gun laws are
lightly enforced.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

That is a 100% ridiculous statement. Some people are born evil or turn evil all on their own. I have seen 3 kids all raised the same, two turn out good one turns out bad. I have a nephew who just got out of 8 years in prison, he is nothing but evil gutter trash with a fried brain. He got kicked out of High School for attacking a small elderly female teacher. So his mother should be held responsible for that? Everything under the sun has been tried on that piece of crap, nothing works. I just hope he is killed before he kills someone.

Most of these retards are living in their parent’s basement. It’s about time that failed parenting should share the blame. If my wacko son is amassing an arsenal or has access to my gun safe then I should be held accountable for his actions.

Parents need to realize that parenting is a full time job.

Your nephew is obviously a psychopath. His mother should have realized this when he first acted out and everything subsequently should have protected him from society. Ultimately, we are responsible for what we create.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

As a whole guns were easier to obtain back in the day when mass shootings were rare, than they are today. They need to start strict enforcement of the gun laws that are on the books. The violent felon caught with a gun laws are
lightly enforced.

We do need to enforce current gun laws... agree completely.

That said things like background checks, firearm education, and waiting periods aren't hard to create/enforce yet they don't even get the chance to be voted on.

Registration is a bit harder without enforcement but still doable.

I own a lot of firearms including a few of the "people killer" variety but the stuff I listed above is a relatively small price to pay to keep them and the people upset about them more at ease.

[fast4522]

Guns have been around forever, in years gone by what has changed? So that change needs to be a focus right? So I agree we all need to have tight control on all dangerous things like guns but not limited to.

[OntheRail]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Look man....

Both sides have issues but only one repeatedly stonewalls even the barest of precautions.

Universal background checks can't even get passed...

I disagree with what every liberal/democrat/whatever has mostly said in this thread but I get their frustration when even the simplest most common sense stuff can't even get to a vote.

We already have Background Checks to purchase firearms.

[ElKabong]

Another fatherless kid who dropped out of school, and had a troubled non functioning relationship with his mom. Who btw looks no older than 30 from her photos. What could possibly go wrong here?

Two parent families, family values. Not over rated

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by OntheRail

We already have Background Checks to purchase firearms.

They aren't universal and it's a pretty simple concession that isn't even allowed to get a vote in the Senate.

As I said, I get the frustration amongst the gun control crowd.

[newtothegame]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

You can't really ban a AR15.

Mechanically its not any different than any other semiautomatic in the market today. A couple of manufacturers probably still make some recoil operated semis (Browning?) but you can't really legislate away simple mechanics.

Bullet goes down the barrel. Towards the end of the barrel there is a hole with a tube attached. The expanding gas in the barrel travels back down the tube pushing the action back to cycle another round.

When people talk about banning AR15s they're really just talking a "look" and then you get non-sensical laws like what California has.

Gun control needs to focus on education, registration, waiting periods, and background checks.

I like it !! sensibility !!!

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by TJDave

Your nephew is obviously a psychopath. His mother should have realized this when he first acted out and everything subsequently should have protected him from society. Ultimately, we are responsible for what we create.

The system is partly the problem, a person is never diagnosed as a sociopath or psychopath until they commit a crime that will get them locked up for life. The list of crap
my nephew was diagnosed with and medicated for was a big joke. He had a habit of attacking female authority figures, that got an anger management issue diagnosis. He came to live with me for 3 stints between 16-18. Funny his anger management never flared up around me and I rode him like a rented mule. He did 7 stints in juvenile hall and bragged about that.
Went I finally sent him packing for the last time, he lasted about 6 months before he was convicted of trying to strangle his girlfriend in front of her child
that wasn't his. That got him his 8 years in the pen.


He actually was a good kid till he hit puberty, then it was all down hill. If you talked to him you would be blown away, nothing is ever his fault, and he felt justified in attacking women because they made him man. In spite of his
I.Q. of barely room temperature he was real good at making up lies to manipulate people.



Unfortunately you can't lock someone up for what they obviously are going to do down the road. Look at that guy who got asphyxiated in New York a year or so ago, he had been arrested 39 times. I don't care what his crimes were
that guy needed to be off the streets. There are too many DR. Phils who think pills and therapy can fix any POS of a human being, they can't.

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by fast4522

Guns have been around forever, in years gone by what has changed? So that change needs to be a focus right? So I agree we all need to have tight control on all dangerous things like guns but not limited to.

I know most people are unaware, but homicide rates were much higher before

guns became popular. I think the average human will get away with whatever he can. Why not spear some guy and steal his horse and valuables when you know chances are you won't get caught.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

I know most people are unaware, but homicide rates were much higher before

guns became popular. I think the average human will get away with whatever he can. Why not spear some guy and steal his horse and valuables when you know chances are you won't get caught.

If I could stick to change, one might say news has changed. There have always been those who think that they will get away with whatever he can, but not rightly so. What some might view is their existence and how that might be seen differently today. Strange areas that may or not being considered today in this problem.

[OntheRail]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

They aren't universal and it's a pretty simple concession that isn't even allowed to get a vote in the Senate.

As I said, I get the frustration amongst the gun control crowd.

Criminal don't care about laws... and Bureaucrats often don't enforce them or turn a blind eye. Hunter Biden's gun crimes for example. So what good are more laws on the books. How bout we stop worrying about how the criminal feels, who they are related to or the color of there skin being taken into account. Justice is suppose to be blind. When they coddle them or make excuses instead of handing down consequences for their action... it emboldens other to act with the knowledge little or nothing will happen to them. I know that is abit more then the knee jerk... we have to something to make political hay while the blood is still wet.

But I tell you what... lets tack on voter ID requirement and verification. A little give and take common sense.