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Old 01-06-2022, 09:31 AM   #16
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We've been mushed



Every OTB I have ever been to has their own Eddie Mush. Mark, hopefully you don't have this problem.
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Old 01-06-2022, 09:50 AM   #17
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Funny video about Horseplayer stereotypes

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Old 01-06-2022, 12:58 PM   #18
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Funny video about Horseplayer stereotypes

https://youtu.be/Ks_1wwaG2CM
pretty good


rare sportsbook visits - I don't mind horseplayers, as long as they give you space and a chance to think/handicap.

As a 'beanpole', I can't frequent a sportsbook w/out at least one guy accosting me with basketball questions and a re-hash of his Baltimore or DC triumphs. Fun, until they get 14 beers in, find me again, and are screaming obscenities and sweating odors in my vicinity, the act wears thin.

I can imagine Mark would have guys coming up to him and showing dime-boxed supers
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Old 01-06-2022, 01:38 PM   #19
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rare sportsbook visits - I don't mind horseplayers, as long as they give you space and a chance to think/handicap.

As a 'beanpole', I can't frequent a sportsbook w/out at least one guy accosting me with basketball questions and a re-hash of his Baltimore or DC triumphs. Fun, until they get 14 beers in, find me again, and are screaming obscenities and sweating odors in my vicinity, the act wears thin.

I can imagine Mark would have guys coming up to him and showing dime-boxed supers
At my local racetrack (Grand River Raceway) I try to go like 3-4 times a month and definitely not every day as some others I see there as either I am working or can just play from home

Each time I go there is always the same guys who are there every day pretty well and are always swearing their heads off and complaining that they lost a race or by the time I am heading home that turns into races

Usually, the guys have groups they like to sit with and if you are not a regular chances are you will be sitting in an empty area while the others are crammed on the other side area

I always have respect for the mutual tellers who are there and yes there have been times where people have come up to me either to rant about how the Baffert horse cost them their tickets or actually for betting advice on who I like

It's fun to go and hang out with the guys at GRR but not sure how those players do it every day with betting and drinking beer or smoking lol
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Old 01-06-2022, 03:21 PM   #20
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Lend him a little money...it's a surefire method to never seeing him again.
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Old 01-06-2022, 04:17 PM   #21
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I know the same guy. Not sure how he does it but he is at every wagering establishment from coast to coast. Thaskalos clearly has the right response. However, this worked to get rid of "him" for me. After fanning out the tickets and doing the Humana Humana. I said " holy s..t",
Waved to an acquaintance and said "look at all the brilliant losing tickets". Somehow that worked.
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Old 01-06-2022, 04:19 PM   #22
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True story

There was a guy at my local OTB who often sat at the table next to mine. We would nod to one-another...but we seldom spoke even a single word to each other for many months. And then one day when the place was crowded, we both ended up at the same table...and a race was run that ended up with a 2-4-3 result. The trifecta paid a couple of hundred dollars...and he turned to me as if he wanted to say something. After a little hesitation, he said to me..."don't you hate it when you spend considerable time handicapping a race, and you miss out on a nice payoff by the slimmest of margins?" And he showed me a ticket where he had boxed 5 horses in a trifecta...but none of the top 3 finishers were anywhere on his ticket. I committed the cardinal sin of laughing at his funny remark...and that was the beginning of the end for me.

From that day on he would show me not only every single losing ticket that he ever played...but he would also tell me about every supposedly winning bet that he thought of making, but never did. I guess my laughter at his joke meant that we were now best friends, or something. It got so bad that I was ready to bitch him out after a few days...which is something totally out of character for me. And then the day came when he shyly confessed to me that he had gone broke...and didn't have money to bet an already handicapped pick-4 at some harness track. Would I be nice enough to advance him $32...which he would return to me the very next day, if he lost? I slipped him a $50...and he went away. And I haven't seen him again in almost 10 years. A mutual acquaintance told me that he now frequents an OTB some 20 miles away.

I consider it one of the best investments that I've ever made.
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Old 01-06-2022, 05:45 PM   #23
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There was a guy at my local OTB who often sat at the table next to mine. We would nod to one-another...but we seldom spoke even a single word to each other for many months. And then one day when the place was crowded, we both ended up at the same table...and a race was run that ended up with a 2-4-3 result. The trifecta paid a couple of hundred dollars...and he turned to me as if he wanted to say something. After a little hesitation, he said to me..."don't you hate it when you spend considerable time handicapping a race, and you miss out on a nice payoff by the slimmest of margins?" And he showed me a ticket where he had boxed 5 horses in a trifecta...but none of the top 3 finishers were anywhere on his ticket. I committed the cardinal sin of laughing at his funny remark...and that was the beginning of the end for me.

From that day on he would show me not only every single losing ticket that he ever played...but he would also tell me about every supposedly winning bet that he thought of making, but never did. I guess my laughter at his joke meant that we were now best friends, or something. It got so bad that I was ready to bitch him out after a few days...which is something totally out of character for me. And then the day came when he shyly confessed to me that he had gone broke...and didn't have money to bet an already handicapped pick-4 at some harness track. Would I be nice enough to advance him $32...which he would return to me the very next day, if he lost? I slipped him a $50...and he went away. And I haven't seen him again in almost 10 years. A mutual acquaintance told me that he now frequents an OTB some 20 miles away.

I consider it one of the best investments that I've ever made.
This is a true story too, from my days in the Cheyenne OTB. A co-worker of my wife's in the Air Guard was a total degenerate but a nice enough guy. Tee who posts here some might remember Adam. He was a pretty big bettor too, like he wasn't betting $10 a pop. We'd watch him walk in the OTB, quickly see what race was next, and bet $50 across on a race (could be harness too) with no handicapping whatsoever.

He figured out I kind of knew what I was doing most of the time and would badger me for picks. I would give him my three best of the day, all SoCal. I probably made him some money in the long run, though no doubt he blew it on other races. But one morning he calls me lamenting the rough day "we" had at Hollywood Park the previous day. He was giving me crap for the picks. He said none of the three horses had even hit the board.

I was dumbfounded as I knew all three had actually won. I was actually expecting a big thank you when I answered his call, while at work no less. And they weren't chalk types either, in the 4 to 6 to 1 range. When he finally stopped talking, I asked him why he thought they lost and if he wrote the wrong numbers down. He informed me he had called the OTB and asked for the results and the numbers they gave him weren't on the list. This was around 2000, not like today. I informed him that the horses had all in fact won and he should bring his tickets and cash them.

Now is the good part, he had already thrown them in his trash bin and it was trash day. He went out to retrieve them, and apparently the trash truck had already come. He went out trying to track down the truck, apparently did after a bunch of calls and driving around. He told his tale of woe to the drivers, and I guess they let him search the truck.

This is a really feelgood story. He did find the tickets and cashed them. He showed them too me, and I can verify that they had definitely been in a lot trash. But that isn't the feelgood part. The feelgood part is I told him we were done after that. I didn't forget that he was an ass to me on the phone and I used it as my get out of jail free card.
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Old 01-06-2022, 10:16 PM   #24
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Best run ever at Mahoning stalled out as clueless 10 cent vertical player, a casual acquaintance for several years, has begun sitting next to me and yammering non-stop about his "tuff beats." The dude boxes 6 horses a race. rarely has more than two of them in the super, yet whines to HIGH HEAVEN about not getting paid after "handicapping" the race (apparently from a scratch sheet, since there IS no form or even pp program in evidence) to "perfection."

He bets every race at every track , and his inane rhetoric JUST NEVER ENDS. When he realizes I've tuned him out, not to be deterred, he thrusts 15 dime super boxes in my face, fanned out like a deck of cards, evidently expecting me to scan and read them like some human computer, credit him for some great job of handicapping, and mournfully lament that such a genius could have possibly missed the super.

Somewhat contradictory to my rep amongst pals as a guy with a bad temper, unless provoked (to an EXTREME extent), I am unfailingly polite-to a fault. But I just can't take any more of this guy.

Any suggestions??

OFF TOPIC Are you taking care of that heart condition?
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He came back. Worse than before.

I am two inches from telling him I can't taste food.
that is a good idea


get a hot dog, and take a couple bites.

ask him if he knows whether they changed brands, because this one has no flavor at all



of course the guy might not know what that means
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that is a good idea


get a hot dog, and take a couple bites.

ask him if he knows whether they changed brands, because this one has no flavor at all



of course the guy might not know what that means
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Whatever you do, never give him any kind of tip. Even if you are trying to sabotage him. Not even drawing a number out of a hat. If the horse wins, you will NEVER get rid of him, even if the horse won because it was the only one to not go down in a pileup.
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Whatever you do, never give him any kind of tip. Even if you are trying to sabotage him. Not even drawing a number out of a hat. If the horse wins, you will NEVER get rid of him, even if the horse won because it was the only one to not go down in a pileup.
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OFF TOPIC Are you taking care of that heart condition?
Brief update: Have lived with a -fib for at least 17 years. Docs have never believed I don't faint or suffer chest pains. On numerous meds for those 17 years. Stopped visiting heart doc for a decade. Wife (a highly respected and sharp RN) insisted I allow young(ish), cutting edge heart doc to at least review my meds. Dude pro-active, shocked me into sinus, lasted just three months. Repeated procedure-this time augmented by stronger meds designed to keep me in rhythm. Said if unabated, my condition will shorten life span considerably.

Slated for ablation procedure on jan 21.

Tx kindly for inquiring, sir.

My son, whom I love more than life itself, needs me around. Desperately.

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Old 01-07-2022, 09:22 AM   #30
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Maybe the guy just needs a heart to heart talk. Many of these career degens wander about life soulless with no friends or family. Nobody knows what someone is going through until they know. It’s easy to judge or joke but easier to offer up some advice and at least pretend like you care. I get it , it’s like an annoying gnat that won’t go away. Maybe if you tell him how you really feel and explain it he will get it and understand or just never come around you again. Anyway Happy healthy New Year to you and your family Mark
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