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Old 12-05-2021, 07:37 PM   #16
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The number still seems too high.


The commission lists total handle in October of 18 million
You are right that is 18 million per day in October total handle for all locations and all tracks taken by Nevada.

Belmont and or Aqueduct handle more then 30 million per month by themselves in Nevada.

You can always call Patty Jones at the Nevada Pari-Mutual Association to verify my information which is common knowledge +1(702) 387-2021

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Old 12-05-2021, 08:12 PM   #17
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There is something not making sense. I am assuming the numbers are inaccurate unless some huge player just got added.
We can't do a year-over-year comparison for Oaklawn because we don't have comparable dates. But here's an opening day comparison.

Dec 3, 2021 - Fall 2021-Spring 2022 Opening Day
15 Thoroughbred tracks running
Opening day off track handle: $5,187,994
Attributed to Las Vegas: $1,093,985

Jan 22, 2021 - Spring 2021 Opening Day
13 Thoroughbred tracks running
Opening day off track handle: $4,769,758
Attributed to Las Vegas: $0

The difference in off track handle is only about $420,000 more for December's opening, not the $1M plus of "new" Nevada money. Again, I'd surmise that a good chunk of (if not MOST of) that Nevada money had already been making its way into the pools in January via other ADWs by "resourceful" Nevada residents.

It would be interesting if the books were open and we could see if some ADWs took LESS on Oaklawn this December opening day than back in January.

Also, none of this is even accounting for an overall percentage increase in handle that many tracks have seen year-over-year from 2020-2021. (Although these are both 2021 numbers). An overall increase would mean that even fewer Nevada dollars were "new" to the pools.

Aqueduct had just a slight (!) increase from those January to December dates:
Aqueduct 12/3/21 interstate: $8,584,830
Aqueduct 1/22/21 interstate: ~$4,282,000


My inclination is that the Nevada numbers make sense.
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Old 12-05-2021, 09:00 PM   #18
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Sunday 12/5/21 Nevada racing handle which drops when there is Pro Football

Aqueduct---10 races---1,605,229
Gulfstream-11 races---1,425,258
Oaklawn-----9 races---712,196----Muddy Track Today

This is common knowledge to everyone that has a mobile account in the state of Nevada which lists the handle per race.

You can doubt me all you want, but this information is not a secret.

These totals are all parimutual handle which includes in person betting at the more then 50 race books in the state which includes Las Vegas, Reno, and Lake Tahoe and all mobile betting that is placed on the thousands of account holders cell phones.
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Old 12-05-2021, 09:12 PM   #19
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https://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdo...cumentid=18239


Racebook Parimutuel for the MONTH of October.


2.835 million win at 15.8% of handle. Total Racebook handle in Nevada for October, comes in a smidge under 18 million.


There is no way in the world the daily handle is 18 million.


How online is accounted for I don't know, but the traditional LV race book, at best, is that $18 million range. For the month.
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Total US handle in October:


https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...ing-purses-up/


$950 million. LV is not over 50% of that.
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