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01-29-2014, 05:15 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
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Originally Posted by limit2
It is good to know that new racing books: Do Not Sell! This relieves me of the pressure of creating one. Thanks! I might even have the material, if followed. that would make others wealthy. Still what is the use of risking $2,000 to get published when there is no one to buy the book. Although I did get many pointers from D. Mitchell's books.
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I used to buy anything about handicapping that came out. What dampened my appetite (aside from having to haul all those books around when I moved every few years!) was deciding to narrow my focus to titles that dealt with comprehensive quantitative probabilities associated with thoroughbred performance (so that I could develop reliable full-field fair-odds lines and exotic-wager payoffs), as opposed to general Ainslie-style qualitative discussion (which I found difficult to translate into an accurate assessment of winning chances), or single-factor/"pick-the-winner" systems or angles that would lose their profitability as soon as enough people found out about them and started playing them. (However, I'm still very much in the market for the type of quantitative information that I mentioned.)
I also don't recall that up-front out-of-pocket costs (as opposed to the value of my time) for getting my website into operation came to anywhere near $2,000 -- although I imagine that there might be more expense if I were to try to attract the attention/interest of a mainstream publisher/advertiser, rather than being self-published and relying on word-of-mouth and being listed by outlets such as Amazon.com, American Turf Monthly, and Gambler's Book Club for publicity.
And to all those who have purchased or will purchase my products through any of those channels -- thank you! 
Last edited by Overlay; 01-29-2014 at 05:18 PM.
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01-29-2014, 06:58 PM
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Location: Cheektowaga, NY
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I've read the first 2 (both great reads), but not Laughing in the Hills. I'm going to have to read that one next.
Right now, I'm reading My Buddy King of the Hill, which is the story of trainer Frank Pagano Sr. and his friendship/business dealings with Buddy Jacobson, father of New York trainer, David Jacobson. I'm only about 1/10 through the book so far and it's been pretty shocking. Frank tells about the first horse that he bought through Jacobson and how the horse was so lame they took him to Suffolk, hoping someone would claim him and the horse broke down!
I always wondered about David Jacobson, but I couldn't believe his back story! That's some depraved stuff!
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01-30-2014, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by andicap
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A few writers self-published their stuff -- Joe Takach for example, but those suffer from a lack of marketing support. Like whatever the authors can afford to spend.
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I remember calling Joe up on the phone and ordering his 1st book, he was in Philly at the time. Anyone know what he is up to these days?
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01-31-2014, 01:27 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2010
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I miss Howard feeding the pigeons every day at 4:30. I wonder if they flocked (get it? "flocked"?) to his new location.
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01-31-2014, 01:06 PM
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Received this email from Joe:
I'm now retired and spend most of my time playing guitar and learning piano.
Only go to Del Mar in the summer.
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02-01-2014, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BIG49010
Received this email from Joe:
I'm now retired and spend most of my time playing guitar and learning piano.
Only go to Del Mar in the summer.
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What self-respecting horseplayer quits the horses so he could play some musical instrument?
What's this world coming to?
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02-01-2014, 08:53 AM
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Racing Form Detective
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lincoln, Ne but my heart is at Santa Anita
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
What self-respecting horseplayer quits the horses so he could play some musical instrument?
What's this world coming to?
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One who could not find a pawn shop who lend money on them. 
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02-01-2014, 09:03 AM
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The truth is that horseplayers never retire from the game.S
Some times though, it is the game itself that forces them to a nonvolunteer retirement.
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02-01-2014, 01:30 PM
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Location: Cheektowaga, NY
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Originally Posted by BIG49010
I remember calling Joe up on the phone and ordering his 1st book, he was in Philly at the time. Anyone know what he is up to these days?
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I emailed Joe a few days ago because I was interested in his physically report for Santa Anita and he emailed back and said they've stopped publishing it. I was disappointed; it looked like it was a good thing!
I wonder if anyone else sells a similar product. I'm not great at judging how a horse looks. They all look beautiful to me!
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02-01-2014, 04:16 PM
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I'm not great at judging how a horse looks. They all look beautiful to me! |
You might want to spend some time HERE.
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02-01-2014, 04:37 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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I miss Howard feeding the pigeons every day at 4:30. I wonder if they flocked (get it? "flocked"?) to his new location.
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The first time I went there, I was amazed at that "purple wall" but the parking lot!
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02-02-2014, 04:28 PM
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Just an FYI for anybody heading to GBC: they are apparently moving again. Was out in Vegas last week and went to their store on Eastern. They were clearly in the process of packing up books so if you are planning on hitting there in the near future, might want to call ahead and verify new address/they are re-opened yet.
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02-02-2014, 09:04 PM
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Got an email from GBC the other day - they're moving back downtown, and will be inside the Gamblers General Store at 800 South Main Street. They're supposed to be there as of 27 January....
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02-02-2014, 10:51 PM
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I don't know if Howard is around but I know that GBC didn’t' just move it was for sale prior to move-a business broker friend sent me the listing-not sure who bought it or if sale did go through.
I really liked it back in the day when Huey Mahl helped put out their Systems & Methods-you could walk into the bookstore and even have great conversations with staff and customers who were very knowledgeable.
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02-03-2014, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Topcat
I don't know if Howard is around but I know that GBC didn’t' just move it was for sale prior to move-a business broker friend sent me the listing-not sure who bought it or if sale did go through.
I really liked it back in the day when Huey Mahl helped put out their Systems & Methods-you could walk into the bookstore and even have great conversations with staff and customers who were very knowledgeable.
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He took over for Lou Holloway. I still miss the old store with all the pictures and the back room. Howard was great too, loved to talk gambling etc.
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