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Old 08-03-2015, 01:58 PM   #31
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When you say that the bettors "will not take the short odds", are you advocating betting on these 3/5 shots that we occasionally see...simply because they figure on paper to be 2/5?
I would say that.

(Assuming, of course, that I have history that says such 3/5s as THIS one are profitable FOR ME.)
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Old 08-03-2015, 02:07 PM   #32
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I would say that.

(Assuming, of course, that I have history that says such 3/5s as THIS one are profitable FOR ME.)
IMO...these 3/5s are so few, that the evidence that they collectively provide could never be called a "history". A "minor trend", is more like it...
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Old 08-03-2015, 02:19 PM   #33
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I would say that.

(Assuming, of course, that I have history that says such 3/5s as THIS one are profitable FOR ME.)

I am in that school. I do not like betting odds on horse straight, I much rather single them in a pick 3/4/5 or key them on top when I like them. I don't doubt they could be profitable, especially with rebates, it is just a tendency I have always had. These horses can be tricky however, you sometimes do not know if you are going to get 2/5, 3/5 or 4/5 until after the bell, and that is break even of .70 to .55. If I am keying him in a pick 3 I don't particularly care, but if I was trying to grind out profits these late odds changes can be monumental.
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Old 08-06-2015, 08:46 PM   #34
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weird race @ Del Mar

Jens De Ville 3 was so obviously the best, had a low ml, but for some reason they bet miltee like she was a lock, and JDV was frigid on the board??

scared me into only betting a smaller amount
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Old 08-06-2015, 10:06 PM   #35
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Another weird one was the 8th? @ Charlestown tonight.

began to take heavy late money and enter minus-pool territory, and then was a late scratch by the stewards.

Did not leave much time for players to adjust and a lot of money went on the 2nd choice, but it was just an odd situation.

Maybe the 2 was indeed unsound and it was a great thing for both horse and players, but just seemed odd.

Couldn't really bet a race like that, but it was strange.
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Old 08-07-2015, 04:47 PM   #36
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These are horses that make you want to dutch the rest of the field
Robert,

When I read the above, it reminded me of a race at Ak-Sar-Ben back in the early 80s where, except for the 4-1 second choice, you could have literally dutch the rest of the field and not lost money - and the heavy favorite lost.
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