Twin Exacta

[SandyW]

Originally Posted by the little guy

We've been bouncing around some bet ideas and I was curious what people think about a twin exacta bet, where you have to hit two straight exactas?

A good idea, anything that may create a large payout should be of interest to the betters. It never hurts to try new things, if it does not work you can always get rid of it.

[EMD4ME]

I think the grand slam should be renamed the double grandslam..

Add 2 more legs to the show component. Make it harder.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

I think the grand slam should be renamed the double grandslam..

Add 2 more legs to the show component. Make it harder.

"GRAND SLAM"?

Judging by its payoffs...it should be called the "bunt single".

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

"GRAND SLAM"?

Judging by its payoffs...it should be called the "bunt single".

Was really hoping you'd go with 'suicide squeeze'.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Clearly the problem isn't that the existing bets just aren't enough to make profit. Same mantra from me. Too many pools leads to pool dilution and cannibalization. I agree with a previous poster. You want to raise interest? Cut the take in a pool to close to zero and that bet becomes popular. Thinking like the lottery - put different pictures on your scratch off games doesn't change the odds of winning and probably doesn't fool the people who buy scratch tickets.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

Was really hoping you'd go with 'suicide squeeze'.

I wish I had your intelligence, sir.

[whodoyoulike]

Since this thread is about generating new ideas to help track handle, they should be bouncing around ideas which will give back an immediate benefit to the bettors. Follow the Indian casino models, draw bettors by giving them something even though it's only just an individual's perception. Those going to tracks and casinos like to gamble when they think they have a chance to win.

Bounce around ideas such as:

free or minimum parking cost.
free or lower admission cost.
free popcorn. They can follow the movie theater and fast food model by increasing the salt in each bag and follow up by jacking up the beverage prices.
charge to use the restrooms. Maybe even reduce the number of restrooms and they should be able to charge even more. The old supply and demand concept.
have sign ups for fan appreciation where they mail out coupons for and .
I remember casinos always had give aways but you had to be present on-site. They should be able to figure out something for ADW bettors.

Why do tracks charge for parking and admission and don't provide free popcorn?

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

"GRAND SLAM"?

Judging by its payoffs...it should be called the "bunt single".

Exactly why it should be extended. If it were up to me, it would be 8 races of show, with a win requirement in the last race.

[no breathalyzer]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

Exactly why it should be extended. If it were up to me, it would be 8 races of show, with a win requirement in the last race.

Thant would be sweet especially since they love to end the card that 40k mdn claimer on the grass.

[Alwaysonpoint36]

Any news on this tlg?

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by Alwaysonpoint36

Any news on this tlg?

Not that I know of.

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

Since this thread is about generating new ideas to help track handle, they should be bouncing around ideas which will give back an immediate benefit to the bettors. Follow the Indian casino models, draw bettors by giving them something even though it's only just an individual's perception. Those going to tracks and casinos like to gamble when they think they have a chance to win.

Bounce around ideas such as:

free or minimum parking cost.
free or lower admission cost.
free popcorn. They can follow the movie theater and fast food model by increasing the salt in each bag and follow up by jacking up the beverage prices.
charge to use the restrooms. Maybe even reduce the number of restrooms and they should be able to charge even more. The old supply and demand concept.
have sign ups for fan appreciation where they mail out coupons for and .
I remember casinos always had give aways but you had to be present on-site. They should be able to figure out something for ADW bettors.

Why do tracks charge for parking and admission and don't provide free popcorn?

Charge to use restrooms?

For real?

[Alwaysonpoint36]

Originally Posted by the little guy

Not that I know of.

Maaaan, that's unfortunate...you gotta push this through

[MonmouthParkJoe]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

Since this thread is about generating new ideas to help track handle, they should be bouncing around ideas which will give back an immediate benefit to the bettors. Follow the Indian casino models, draw bettors by giving them something even though it's only just an individual's perception. Those going to tracks and casinos like to gamble when they think they have a chance to win.

Bounce around ideas such as:

free or minimum parking cost.
free or lower admission cost.
free popcorn. They can follow the movie theater and fast food model by increasing the salt in each bag and follow up by jacking up the beverage prices.
charge to use the restrooms. Maybe even reduce the number of restrooms and they should be able to charge even more. The old supply and demand concept.
have sign ups for fan appreciation where they mail out coupons for and .
I remember casinos always had give aways but you had to be present on-site. They should be able to figure out something for ADW bettors.

Why do tracks charge for parking and admission and don't provide free popcorn?

From a business standpoint, parking and admission make sense to charge for, it is one of the revenue streams that dont have incremental costs with the exception of the labor costs for working the gate. Unlike all the taxes or fees a track must pay with handle or other services. Especially parking, you park your car and they take your money.

The margins on concessions are pretty big, especially popcorn. It costs very little to make. On the other hand, when you buy a form on sight, they tracks usually make $1 on the sale of each. Not exactly huge.

The rest room charge is insane.

Some tracks, the meadowlands for example, do send out mailers for free bets and sodas or a hot dog on occasion. They also have giveaways on many weekends during the harness meet that you must be there for.

In fact, they do a great job with what they can. Rides in the starting car, sign ups for free winner circle presentations, vacation giveaways, voucher drawings, hell even one year they had a drawing to share in the revenue from a horse with no expenses attached. That horse was captain treacherous and the winners share was several thousand over the season. One year I won the contest for another horse that wasnt as successful, but got back a couple hundred.

[Millpond68]

They had this at Brandywine years ago. All the sharpies would try to buy all the first half winning tickets. The Mutuel manager would inform them what the first half was worth and they paid accordingly. Also I remember this at Dover Downs trot meet.