Nobody Gives a Damn (Except Mueller)

[Ocala Mike]

After running out the clock on the lie that the June, 2016 meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower was about adoption, Trump tweeted this morning that it was in fact for the purpose of "obtaining political dirt on an opponent." In doing so, he threw his son, Don, Jr., under the bus for at least a perjury charge.

It is not up to the president to decide what the law is regarding conspiracy (I won't use the term collusion) - that's up to Mueller and the rule of law.

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

After running out the clock on the lie that the June, 2016 meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower was about adoption, Trump tweeted this morning that it was in fact for the purpose of "obtaining political dirt on an opponent." In doing so, he threw his son, Don, Jr., under the bus for at least a perjury charge.

It is not up to the president to decide what the law is regarding conspiracy (I won't use the term collusion) - that's up to Mueller and the rule of law.

pretty sketchy to use Mueller and "rule of law" in the same sentence

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

In doing so, he threw his son, Don, Jr., under the bus for at least a perjury charge.

Don Jr. gave testimony under oath about the meeting? That's news to me. Not saying it didn't happen, but I guess I missed it.

If he didn't, there can be no perjury charge.

[delayjf]

Trump tweeted this morning that it was in fact for the purpose of "obtaining political dirt on an opponent."

Did Trump JR ever deny that. I think the meeting was a set up, knowing that the Russian Lawyer, meet with Fusion GP before and after the meeting with Trump.

[davew]

haven't you watched the news during the last year and a half? Most of the news and all the dims are just waiting for the charges to put away Trump for a long time - conspiracy to commit fraud against the United States...

[highnote]

First Trump stood next to Putin back in 2016 and said there was NO COLLUSION.

Then Giuliani said he thinks collusion is not a crime.

Then

"Trump wrote in an 8:35 a.m. post on Twitter that the purpose of a June 9, 2016, gathering at Trump Tower was “to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics ― and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!” https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-collus...203852579.html

He uses the Nixon defense, "I cannot recall" and the Regan defense, "I was not aware".

I think one of the Kennedy's tried those defenses at Chappaquiddick.

Most of us were not born yesterday and can smell when something is rotten, politically speaking.
Do Iran and the Nigerian yellow cake uranium forgeries ring a bell?

But it in Trump's case, at what point is the line crossed where it becomes collusion?

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by highnote

First Trump stood next to Putin back in 2016 and said there was NO COLLUSION.

Then Giuliani said he thinks collusion is not a crime.

Then

He uses the Nixon defense, "I cannot recall" and the Regan defense, "I was not aware".

I think one of the Kennedy's tried those defenses at Chappaquiddick.

Most of us were not born yesterday and can smell when something is rotten, politically speaking.
Do Iran and the Nigerian yellow cake uranium forgeries ring a bell?

But it in Trump's case, at what point is the line crossed where it becomes collusion?

The Russian Lawyer came empty handed and was blown off and the meeting was killed with a hand cutting the throat gesture. You people think Jr. told anything different under oath your nuts. Move along.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by highnote

I think one of the Kennedy's tried those defenses at Chappaquiddick.

Speaking of Chappaquiddick, you should look up ol' Teddy going to the USSR to collude with Russia to try and get Reagan defeated.

https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/te...l#399a3bf4359a

You never hear about that from the left-leaning MSM. Ancient history I suppose.

Kennedy's good name can never be tarnished.

Hell, Obama gave the eulogy for a dude who had obvious RUSSIAN COLLUSION on his hands. Ted Kennedy tried to WORK WITH RUSSIA to MEDDLE in our ELECTION!!

And there is good Democrat OBAMA, praising the dude after he dies.

Shameless.

Then again, they did the same thing when KLANSMAN Byrd kicked the bucket.

Ya'll need to open your freakin' eyes.

[highnote]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Speaking of Chappaquiddick, you should look up ol' Teddy going to the USSR to collude with Russia to try and get Reagan defeated.

https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/te...l#399a3bf4359a

You never hear about that from the left-leaning MSM. Ancient history I suppose.

Kennedy's good name can never be tarnished.

Hell, Obama gave the eulogy for a dude who had obvious RUSSIAN COLLUSION on his hands. Ted Kennedy tried to WORK WITH RUSSIA to MEDDLE in our ELECTION!!

And there is good Democrat OBAMA, praising the dude after he dies.

Shameless.

Then again, they did the same thing when KLANSMAN Byrd kicked the bucket.

Ya'll need to open your freakin' eyes.

I never said Ol' Teddy didn't collude. As a matter of fact, I mentioned the Kennedy clan in attempt to be non-partisan.

However, it looks like my question was overlooked because I am too verbose. I could go on for pages about politicians who at one time were racists. Even Regan made racist remarks when he was gov of Cali.

My question was very simply, how do you know the line has been crossed from not collusion to collusion?

What if Melania is Trump's Russian handler and arranged this meeting?

What if Hillary's campaign played super hard ball and pulled the dirty trick of coordinating from behind the scenes a Russian meeting with Trump's campaign?

[fast4522]

No matter how you want it to be, they have nothing and some might be so disappointed they will move outside the United States. Others might look for a strong door to hang on, but here is going to be change when the doom sets in. Collusion is a nothing burger, get ready for that.

[highnote]

Originally Posted by fast4522

No matter how you want it to be, they have nothing and some might be so disappointed they will move outside the United States. Others might look for a strong door to hang on, but here is going to be change when the doom sets in. Collusion is a nothing burger, get ready for that.

Meeting with Russians to find dirt on Hillary doesn't seem like the worst thing in the world -- or am I missing something?

What constitutes collusion in this case?

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by highnote

Meeting with Russians to find dirt on Hillary doesn't seem like the worst thing in the world -- or am I missing something?

What constitutes collusion in this case?

You can meet with anyone, you might get questioned but that is about it. Because the Clinton's are not in jail its obvious the Russians had nothing to offer. The worst thing in the world to you is overrated to everyone here and this country. I got news for you, they will be chanting "Lock Her Up" when President wins his second term.

[highnote]

Originally Posted by fast4522

You can meet with anyone, you might get questioned but that is about it. Because the Clinton's are not in jail its obvious the Russians had nothing to offer. The worst thing in the world to you is overrated to everyone here and this country. I got news for you, they will be chanting "Lock Her Up" when President wins his second term.

And you keep saying "you" as if you're referring to me. I actually am siding on Trump with this so far.

So I must be missing something. What constitutes collusion and what would the act of collusion be that would constitute a crime?

[davew]

Originally Posted by highnote

Then

He uses the Nixon defense, "I cannot recall" and the Regan defense, "I was not aware".

I think one of the Kennedy's tried those defenses at Chappaquiddick.

Most of us were not born yesterday and can smell when something is rotten, politically speaking.
Do Iran and the Nigerian yellow cake uranium forgeries ring a bell?

But it in Trump's case, at what point is the line crossed where it becomes collusion?

What crime is collusion? and did Hillary commit it hiring FusionGPS to pay an English spy to write a bogus research dossier on political opponent?

Things are getting really bad if Trump ever says 'it depends what your definition of is is'

[highnote]

Originally Posted by davew

What crime is collusion? and did Hillary commit it hiring FusionGPS to pay an English spy to write a bogus research dossier on political opponent?

Things are getting really bad if Trump ever says 'it depends what your definition of is is'

If not one can even give an example of when collusion is a crime then I don't see where this Mueller investigation is going to go anywhere.

Maybe this is all a distraction to keep the public's eyeballs off of what really matters?

Or maybe it is just a tactic by the left (or perhaps the right?) to slow down Trump's agenda so that he looks unsuccessful?

The possibilities are practically endless.