How many claims?

[ALL CIRCUITS GO]

Where can I find out how many claims were put in for particular race and/or horse? I see name of new owner and trainer on a successful claim, but I would be interested in knowing who else put in a claim for the horse and lost the shake. thanks

[Striker]

I only check Arlington claims and you can see the claims register up until the present day for 2011 by just searching "claims register" on their website. You can only see how many shakes there were for that particular horse and then who eventually got him/her. You can't see who lost the shake. Not sure about other tracks, if you can view the claims register or not.

[Ocala Mike]

Contact the Racing Secretary's Office at the track you are interested in. Not 100% sure that it's information available to the general public, however, but then again, why shouldn't it be?


Ocala Mike

[Horseplayersbet.com]

Originally Posted by ALL CIRCUITS GO

Where can I find out how many claims were put in for particular race and/or horse? I see name of new owner and trainer on a successful claim, but I would be interested in knowing who else put in a claim for the horse and lost the shake. thanks

Probably the most successful claims do not involve a shakes. When they are too obvious, there is usually something very wrong with the horse.
But it would be interesting to prove it.

[ALL CIRCUITS GO]

just trying for another angle. there are claiming races where no horse is claimed. other races 2 or 3 horses get claimed. If a horse is claimed out of a race by only 1 party, no shake, then I might not consider it a factor..I was just thinking if there are 3 or 4 claims for the same horse, should I be looking at that horse more closely because of the 'professional' interest? would an attempted claim by 3 or 4 for the same horse put me on that horse for its next starts?

just thinking....

[5k-claim]

Originally Posted by ALL CIRCUITS GO

just trying for another angle. there are claiming races where no horse is claimed. other races 2 or 3 horses get claimed. If a horse is claimed out of a race by only 1 party, no shake, then I might not consider it a factor..I was just thinking if there are 3 or 4 claims for the same horse, should I be looking at that horse more closely because of the 'professional' interest? would an attempted claim by 3 or 4 for the same horse put me on that horse for its next starts?

just thinking....

As long as you think you can narrow down the 'professional' interest to something that might happen in the next couple of starts on the track. That means be careful of the fillies and mares because some of that interest may be in their family, and in the mare as a potential broodmare prospect. I am not saying the angle might not work for you, just that the fillies and mares have an additional wrinkle in drawing interest that the geldings will not.

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[jotb]

Originally Posted by ALL CIRCUITS GO

just trying for another angle. there are claiming races where no horse is claimed. other races 2 or 3 horses get claimed. If a horse is claimed out of a race by only 1 party, no shake, then I might not consider it a factor..I was just thinking if there are 3 or 4 claims for the same horse, should I be looking at that horse more closely because of the 'professional' interest? would an attempted claim by 3 or 4 for the same horse put me on that horse for its next starts?

just thinking....

I've seen as many as 15 go in for a horse and I'm not kidding..I would think if a high % trainer wins the shake then it's something to follow up on..If a low % trainer wins the shake then it might not be something to follow up on..Many times the low % trainer usually eats the horse especially if the trainer took the horse off of a high % trainer...

[iwearpurple]

Originally Posted by ALL CIRCUITS GO

just trying for another angle. there are claiming races where no horse is claimed. other races 2 or 3 horses get claimed. If a horse is claimed out of a race by only 1 party, no shake, then I might not consider it a factor..I was just thinking if there are 3 or 4 claims for the same horse, should I be looking at that horse more closely because of the 'professional' interest? would an attempted claim by 3 or 4 for the same horse put me on that horse for its next starts?

just thinking....

Some years ago, I had the same idea, and studied it for quite a while. I found nothing that would be any sort of an angle at all, in fact if I remember correctly, these horses seemed to be bet more when they returned, and did no better than those with only one claim slip, but lower ROI because the average odds were less.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by Horseplayersbet.com

Probably the most successful claims do not involve a shakes. When they are too obvious, there is usually something very wrong with the horse.
But it would be interesting to prove it.

We had a 6 way shake for Stolen Time he made us some decent money. We also lost out on two 13 way shakes on Indy's Forum last summer at MP. She did quite well for herself at MP.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Contact the Racing Secretary's Office at the track you are interested in. Not 100% sure that it's information available to the general public, however, but then again, why shouldn't it be?


Ocala Mike

There's a lot of stuff that should be available to the public that is not. Its a big secret society back there.

One thing that that So Cal doesnt 'report' is horse deaths. If you go on the CHRB website you see that up north, at GG for example, you can see if a horse died and the cause of death. In So Cal, they just put the number of deaths and don't tell you who it was or how it happened.

Could you imagine if a pro sports league had a player die and they said, "sorry we can't talk about it, we can't tell you the name of the dead player or the cause. Go fish"

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

Could you imagine if a pro sports league had a player die and they said, "sorry we can't talk about it, we can't tell you the name of the dead player or the cause. Go fish"

Man, you are way out there with this...and what a horrible analogy.

[rastajenk]

As he usually is.

Whatever you want to find out, you probably can. That you have to work a little bit to find out some meaningless minutiae is your problem, and not one of the Top Ten Reasons The Sport is Dying.

[ALL CIRCUITS GO]

thanks for the comments and ideas. My thought was that if a few were interested, it would just point me at a horse to look at.

yes, the lack of transparency can be frustrating at times..

oh well

[LA Racing Lady]

It's not going to be as easy as you would like. The information is not published any place, to my knowledge. However, it's not a secret, so you could find out if you really wanted that information. At every racetrack that I have worked, the original claim cards (win, lose or void) are given to the Horseman's Bookkeeper and attached to the scale sheet and kept for several years. You would need to know the date and the race and it could be pulled from those records.

[toussaud]

there were 19 claims in for the beaten fav in the 3rd today. 19.