Raid at Parx

[FRMNBRI]

I agree lambo 100 percent with what you are saying. I think racing is taken a hit with field size and the perception of the game. I play everyday either online or at my local OTB. The place is always packed and people are gambling on horses. I think the more serious players like myself our definitely playing the game differently. I guess it’s hard to give it your all when all the things mentioned in your post exist. Mutual pools, drugs, dirty trainers. The everyday joe blow doesn’t care. He is going to bet WPS on the favorites or pick some random numbers so the game will always have that part indeed.

[turfeyejoe]

Tuesday's 10th race at Parx further confirmed my perception that Parx races aren't on the level. It was an off-the-turf route for maiden claimers. Tudox Rue Majestic was 16-1 at the gate and dropped to 11-1 during the running. The horse romped by 7 lengths and the odds on the Twinspires board remained 11-1 as the race finished. But before it went official, the odds changed to 6-1! So somebody dumped a pile of money on a horse that went from 16-1 when the gate opened to 6-1 "official" because they knew it was going to win easily.

[FRMNBRI]

I was going to start a new thread about Parx but will just keep it here. I was going to post about the 10th race as well but more importantly can someone watch the reply and explain how the 9 horse that won the last race was not taken down for coming over on the 2 horse. It was the Paco Lopez move that almost killed Maragh a few years back at GP. Thank God the jock on the 2 stayed on horse. Inquiry and objection was both lodged. Jockey on 2 claimed would on both the 1 and 9. The stewards DQ the 1 horse and kept the 9 up. I have only a few angles on TVG but maybe someone sees something else. Doesn't the 9 come over on the 2 at the turn? Please please help me understand this. I had a cheap pick 4 horses, obviously didn't have the 9. Not bitter about that, just don't understand the no DQ.

[ReplayRandall]

Look at Parx 5th and tell me what the jock does on the in the stretch to the ....Same move of cutting down/off, last race was on the turn.....The jockey on that horse in the 5th AND the $134 winner in the last race were ridden by---->Luis Rivera

[FRMNBRI]

that is simply unbelievable!!!! How can a racing commission and stewards allow that. Same jockey, exact same situation. I didn't even start watching till the start of the pick 5 so thanks for posting about that race. I just watched the replay.

[Maximillion]

Originally Posted by FRMNBRI

I was going to start a new thread about Parx but will just keep it here. I was going to post about the 10th race as well but more importantly can someone watch the reply and explain how the 9 horse that won the last race was not taken down for coming over on the 2 horse. It was the Paco Lopez move that almost killed Maragh a few years back at GP. Thank God the jock on the 2 stayed on horse. Inquiry and objection was both lodged. Jockey on 2 claimed would on both the 1 and 9. The stewards DQ the 1 horse and kept the 9 up. I have only a few angles on TVG but maybe someone sees something else. Doesn't the 9 come over on the 2 at the turn? Please please help me understand this. I had a cheap pick 4 horses, obviously didn't have the 9. Not bitter about that, just don't understand the no DQ.

The 2 horse may have been loaded there as well.TG as you said the jock was safe and hopefully no after-effect for the horse.

[Afleet]

Originally Posted by FRMNBRI

I was going to start a new thread about Parx but will just keep it here. I was going to post about the 10th race as well but more importantly can someone watch the reply and explain how the 9 horse that won the last race was not taken down for coming over on the 2 horse. It was the Paco Lopez move that almost killed Maragh a few years back at GP. Thank God the jock on the 2 stayed on horse. Inquiry and objection was both lodged. Jockey on 2 claimed would on both the 1 and 9. The stewards DQ the 1 horse and kept the 9 up. I have only a few angles on TVG but maybe someone sees something else. Doesn't the 9 come over on the 2 at the turn? Please please help me understand this. I had a cheap pick 4 horses, obviously didn't have the 9. Not bitter about that, just don't understand the no DQ.

I thought the came out more than the came in

[FRMNBRI]

Originally Posted by Afleet

I thought the came out more than the came in

It was really hard to tell on the views that kept showing. To me it looked like the came over on the but obviously the stewards see it differently. I honestly feel both these horses calm over on the horse

[trifecta]

Originally Posted by turfeyejoe

Tuesday's 10th race at Parx further confirmed my perception that Parx races aren't on the level. It was an off-the-turf route for maiden claimers. Tudox Rue Majestic was 16-1 at the gate and dropped to 11-1 during the running. The horse romped by 7 lengths and the odds on the Twinspires board remained 11-1 as the race finished. But before it went official, the odds changed to 6-1! So somebody dumped a pile of money on a horse that went from 16-1 when the gate opened to 6-1 "official" because they knew it was going to win easily.

Before that 10th race, I took some pictures of the odds and the pools as the horses were in the gate. After the horses crossed the finish line, I noticed the big drop on #2 so I took some additional pictures of the updated odds and pools.

In the gate, #2 had $1,535 bet to win on her, and her odds were 17/1.
At the finish her final odds were 6/1. She had $7,033 bet to win at the finish, an increase of $5,498, which is 3.58 times more than the amount that was bet on her for the entire betting period up until the gates opened.

Here are the same data for the other horses, gate and final:

#1 $7,412 gate to $14,069 final - an increase of $6,657 or 0.90 times more than the gate amount
odds went from 5/2 to 5/2 - no change

#5 $2,741 gate to $4,268 final - an increase of $1,577 or 0.58 times more than the gate amount
odds went from 9/1 to 11/1 - small change upward

#8 $4,220 gate to $7,815 final - an increase of $3,595 or 0.85 times more than the gate amount
odds went from 5/1 to 5/1 - no change

#10 $7,794 gate to $13,682 final - an increase of $5,888 or 0.76 times more than the gate amount
odds went from 5/2 to 5/2 - no change

#11 $10,263 gate to $19,041 final - an increase of $8,778 or 0.86 times more than the gate amount
odds went from 8/5 to 9/5 - minor change upward

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by trifecta

Before that 10th race, I took some pictures of the odds and the pools as the horses were in the gate. After the horses crossed the finish line, I noticed the big drop on #2 so I took some additional pictures of the updated odds and pools.

In the gate, #2 had $1,535 bet to win on her, and her odds were 17/1.
At the finish her final odds were 6/1. She had $7,033 bet to win at the finish, an increase of $5,498, which is 3.58 times more than the amount that was bet on her for the entire betting period up until the gates opened.

Here are the same data for the other horses, gate and final:

#1 $7,412 gate to $14,069 final - an increase of $6,657 or 0.90 times more than the gate amount
odds went from 5/2 to 5/2 - no change

#5 $2,741 gate to $4,268 final - an increase of $1,577 or 0.58 times more than the gate amount
odds went from 9/1 to 11/1 - small change upward

#8 $4,220 gate to $7,815 final - an increase of $3,595 or 0.85 times more than the gate amount
odds went from 5/1 to 5/1 - no change

#10 $7,794 gate to $13,682 final - an increase of $5,888 or 0.76 times more than the gate amount
odds went from 5/2 to 5/2 - no change

#11 $10,263 gate to $19,041 final - an increase of $8,778 or 0.86 times more than the gate amount
odds went from 8/5 to 9/5 - minor change upward

Nice work

[geroge.burns99]

Originally Posted by trifecta

Before that 10th race, I took some pictures of the odds and the pools as the horses were in the gate. After the horses crossed the finish line, I noticed the big drop on #2 so I took some additional pictures of the updated odds and pools.

In the gate, #2 had $1,535 bet to win on her, and her odds were 17/1.
At the finish her final odds were 6/1. She had $7,033 bet to win at the finish, an increase of $5,498, which is 3.58 times more than the amount that was bet on her for the entire betting period up until the gates opened.

Here are the same data for the other horses, gate and final:

#1 $7,412 gate to $14,069 final - an increase of $6,657 or 0.90 times more than the gate amount
odds went from 5/2 to 5/2 - no change

#5 $2,741 gate to $4,268 final - an increase of $1,577 or 0.58 times more than the gate amount
odds went from 9/1 to 11/1 - small change upward

#8 $4,220 gate to $7,815 final - an increase of $3,595 or 0.85 times more than the gate amount
odds went from 5/1 to 5/1 - no change

#10 $7,794 gate to $13,682 final - an increase of $5,888 or 0.76 times more than the gate amount
odds went from 5/2 to 5/2 - no change

#11 $10,263 gate to $19,041 final - an increase of $8,778 or 0.86 times more than the gate amount
odds went from 8/5 to 9/5 - minor change upward

Bottom line on this...we, as bettors, cant do squat!!!

My question is , did the Whales put down that money on a horse that high?
or
Was it someone connected to the horse?

GB

My opinion is..."someone connected"

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by geroge.burns99

Bottom line on this...we, as bettors, cant do squat!!!

My question is , did the Whales put down that money on a horse that high?
or
Was it someone connected to the horse?

GB

My opinion is..."someone connected"

I bet nobody even looks into it

[FRMNBRI]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

I bet nobody even looks into it

Nobody looks into it and they never will. In my experience from the past and knowing some tellers that worked at GP and Golden Gate usually its a big whale that tips the teller big, they close the window and wait till the very last second and fire in the bet. Loved the research Trifecta, great work. The only way they can fix this problem is close wagering 30 seconds before the race but that will never happen. Supposedly that is job of the gaming commission to look into this sort of thing. The big trainers and barns that bet there horses that I know play it offshore nut I guess everyone is different.

[trifecta]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Nice work

Thanks, Ralph. Thanks FRMNBRI.

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by trifecta

Thanks, Ralph. Thanks FRMNBRI.

grat work, now try to find out how much gets canceled after the break.