D.Q.&Purse redistribution,Hollywood

[rwwupl]

Sunday,6-26-11

"Doc Can Dance" was disqualified from the 7th at Hollywood after being declared not eligible.

All purse money redistributed and the winner was declared to be "Preferred Behavior"

Pari-mutuel payouts are not affected and remain the same.

See website below for more info.

http://www.chrb.ca.gov/Stewards/Minu...P_11_07_03.pdf


YES, I had "Prefered Behavior"

rw

[Spalding No!]

Originally Posted by rwwupl

YES, I had "Prefered Behavior"

rw

You thought he could beat "Doc Can Dance"?

[rwwupl]

Originally Posted by Spalding No!

You thought he could beat "Doc Can Dance"?

Uhhh, I guess not. Foolish me.

[cj]

I don't see how anyone having the runner up can complain. They had PPs with the winner in them and could have bet him just like any other horse.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by cj

I don't see how anyone having the runner up can complain. They had PPs with the winner in them and could have bet him just like any other horse.

Completely agree. The DQ of DCD was an administrative situation, the horse wasnt illegally drugged, everyone had access to the same exact PPs, his being 'ineligible' didnt mean he was 'far superior' to the other runners, if he was he would have been 2-5.

[takeout]

They should put the reason for the DQ in the result chart. Anyone noticing it at any point in the future will assume it was a drug positive. They have to go back into the chart to put the DQ in anyway.

[jotb]

I'm sorry but this DQ is absurd...If anything the horse should've been scratched on race day...Shame on the racing office, trainer, and owners of this horse..I would think a trainer would discuss with the owners what race they were pointing towards which is in the condition book..Apparently, both the trainer and owner didn't read the race conditions..."FOR 3YO'S WHICH HAVE BROKEN THEIR MAIDENS FOR A CLAIMING PRICE OF 40K OR LESS AND WHICH HAVE NEVER WON TWO RACES" Neither the trainer or owner knew he broke his maiden NOT for a tag back in Jan.

However, it's possible they THOUGHT they ran the horse for 30k in JAN given the fact they ran the horse 5 previous times for a MDN32K..If the connections were willing to lose the horse for 32k, I guess losing the horse for 30k would be no big deal..Right? I guess back in Jan. someone screwed up the entry and it went unnoticed on the overnight and in the program by the trainer and owner that he wasn't in for the "claiming price of 30k"..This could be the reason why they thought they were elgible for the race on June 10th..


Now the connections enter this horse on June 10th and it slips right through the racing office..When this horse was entered the program they use when taking entries should immediately show the horse was not eligible for the race..Does the program only recognize the horse won only one race and the entry goes through? That would mean the program they use when taking entries doesn't read the whole entry description where in this case would imediately kick the entry out of the system..If the program picks up the inelgibilty immediately on the horse then the person taking the entry needs to go back and look at the pp's on the horse to see why he's not elgible..

With all of this the horse ran anyway..Wins the race and finally someone takes notice the horse was never elgible for the race after the race is over..

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by jotb

I'm sorry but this DQ is absurd...If anything the horse should've been scratched on race day...Shame on the racing office, trainer, and owners of this horse..I would think a trainer would discuss with the owners what race they were pointing towards which is in the condition book..Apparently, both the trainer and owner didn't read the race conditions..."FOR 3YO'S WHICH HAVE BROKEN THEIR MAIDENS FOR A CLAIMING PRICE OF 40K OR LESS AND WHICH HAVE NEVER WON TWO RACES" Neither the trainer or owner knew he broke his maiden NOT for a tag back in Jan.

However, it's possible they THOUGHT they ran the horse for 30k in JAN given the fact they ran the horse 5 previous times for a MDN32K..If the connections were willing to lose the horse for 32k, I guess losing the horse for 30k would be no big deal..Right? I guess back in Jan. someone screwed up the entry and it went unnoticed on the overnight and in the program by the trainer and owner that he wasn't in for the "claiming price of 30k"..This could be the reason why they thought they were elgible for the race on June 10th..


Now the connections enter this horse on June 10th and it slips right through the racing office..When this horse was entered the program they use when taking entries should immediately show the horse was not eligible for the race..Does the program only recognize the horse won only one race and the entry goes through? That would mean the program they use when taking entries doesn't read the whole entry description where in this case would imediately kick the entry out of the system..If the program picks up the inelgibilty immediately on the horse then the person taking the entry needs to go back and look at the pp's on the horse to see why he's not elgible..

With all of this the horse ran anyway..Wins the race and finally someone takes notice the horse was never elgible for the race after the race is over..

So this is what happened. The racetrack makes a mistake and the connections are the one who get punished.

[jotb]

I guess so...

[FenceBored]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

So this is what happened. The racetrack makes a mistake and the connections are the one who get punished.

The connections made a mistake first by entering a horse who was ineligible. The racing secretary's office made the mistake of not catching the connection's mistake. Why should the connections of the place horse, who met the race conditions and would have been the winner had the ineligible horse not been there, be penalized for the mistakes of others?

[jotb]

Originally Posted by FenceBored

The connections made a mistake first by entering a horse who was ineligible. The racing secretary's office made the mistake of not catching the connection's mistake. Why should the connections of the place horse, who met the race conditions and would have been the winner had the ineligible horse not been there, be penalized for the mistakes of others?

How did the "place horse" get penalized? The winner's purse was taken away..If anybody was penalized it was the horseplayer especially those who wagered on the place horse to win..

[FenceBored]

Originally Posted by jotb

How did the "place horse" get penalized? The winner's purse was taken away..If anybody was penalized it was the horseplayer especially those who wagered on the place horse to win..

Stillriledup was saying Doc Can Dance's connections should have been allowed to keep the purse money. I'm saying that that outcome (which is not the one that did occur) would have punished the eligible horses' connections.

The horseplayers will get screwed in any post-raceday DQ until all wagering is done through accounts and they demand that redistribution of purses should include redistribution of payouts. Of course, someone will then invoke Irregular Rule of Racing no. 76.

[jotb]

Originally Posted by FenceBored

Stillriledup was saying Doc Can Dance's connections should have been allowed to keep the purse money. I'm saying that that outcome (which is not the one that did occur) would have punished the eligible horses' connections.

The horseplayers will get screwed in any post-raceday DQ until all wagering is done through accounts and they demand that redistribution of purses should include redistribution of payouts. Of course, someone will then invoke Irregular Rule of Racing no. 76.

My mistake...True on the 2nd part..

[duncan04]

Originally Posted by FenceBored

The horseplayers will get screwed in any post-raceday DQ until all wagering is done through accounts and they demand that redistribution of purses should include redistribution of payouts. Of course, someone will then invoke Irregular Rule of Racing no. 76.

Dumbest thing I've ever heard!

[FenceBored]

Originally Posted by duncan04

Dumbest thing I've ever heard!

Go watch CSPAN for awhile.