NYRA cancelling

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by Tom

So Classhandicapper was attacked by a professinal?
Yeah, right what you need to think.

Tom, you can keep up this charade, but you know it's BS. He wasn't attacked. Surely you know that. What he has done, however, for years is act in a disgraceful cowardly manner. I don't care what he writes here ( I only scan one of, at most, 25 posts he makes here as they are way too long and talk in circles ), as I'm here, and in some sick way fair game. But, when he goes on Twitter, as he has done MANY times for MANY years, and panders to awful people by taking gross cheap shots at me, and of course never using the @ sign with my name, he crosses the line from poster here to, and I'm being nice, creep. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't possibly care less that he does it, I know who and what he is, as nothing awful he has done surprises me in the least, but he has done it, and this precludes him from being someone I should show even the least bit of respect. This notion by some horrendous people that I should be some kind of pinata for their lies and disgusting comments, simply because I work in racing, is preposterous. You get what you give, Tom.

I've seen it all before, sadly, and I'll see it again. I'm just glad people are listening.

[Tom]

HE asks a legit question on a legit horse boars, YOU can't get past you personal bias ans call HIM a bad person on a public board.

Proffessional ctions?

Bullshit.

You can't control yourself.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by Tom

HE asks a legit question on a legit horse boars, YOU can't get past you personal bias ans call HIM a bad person on a public board.

Proffessional ctions?

Bullshit.

You can't control yourself.

It's OK to occasionally admit you're wrong. Control myself? I ignore 99.99% of the idiocy directed at me. If you actually think his BS "gotcha" post was some legit question, you are nowhere near as smart as I think you are.

Go with whatever makes you happy. I only want good things for you Tom. Take care.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by ubercapper

This is the official guidance for racing in cold weather in New York from the State Equine Medical Director. Read into it what you will. I am just providing the document.


https://www.gaming.ny.gov/pdf/EMD%20...%202.24.23.pdf

And there ya have it. Those are the guidelines. Obviously NYRA management thought it prudent to cancel the day's race card.

[thespaah]

I am shocked at the acrimony here.
Track management made a decision in the best interests of all participants. Its not the end of the world.
Simmer down people. Find something else to do for the day. Not a big deal.
I've seen descriptions of first world problems before. This one is just absurd.

[classhandicapper]

But, when he goes on Twitter, as he has done MANY times for MANY years, and panders to awful people by taking gross cheap shots at me, and of course never using the @ sign with my name, he crosses the line from poster here to, and I'm being nice, creep.

On rare occasions I have had conversations with a harsh critic of yours about betting (ITP). I've suggested to him his attacking style towards the industry leaves something to be desired, but he doesn't listen to anyone.

However, what you call cheap shots, I call having a conversation about racing where I am adding my own 2 cents hoping to engage with someone that might be able to help me too. IMO he's a sharp guy with a terrible bedside manor, but he's sharp nonetheless and I AGREE with HIM on betting.

YOU take these conversations personally.

I am telling you not to.

Big fvcking deal if we disagree. Life is too short for this shit.

I had no idea you would want to me @ you. You've had me blocked for what seems like at least 10 years and say you don't read my posts here either. Had I known you wanted me to @you, I'd have done so. I apologize for not doing so. I don't have you blocked. You are free to see everything I post and I'd be glad to @you if you happen to be in the thread going forward.

Our internet feud is among the dumbest things I've ever experienced on social media. That's saying a lot. It should not exist.

Assume I am good guy trying to learn and contribute instead of the worst and you'll be way way closer to the truth. I'll try to refrain from saying anything critical that might trigger you. This is all BS horse racing conversation.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by the little guy

If you actually think his BS "gotcha" post was some legit question, you are nowhere near as smart as I think you are.

How could it be anything other than a legit question?

I'm totally open about not liking synthetic and would not be thrilled if NYRA ran more of them than I was expecting based on initial communications.

"gotcha" for what?

NYRA possibly changing it's mind?

NYRA should do whatever it thinks is in its best interests.

You have a personal issue with me. I get that. But it's causing you to assume the worst in a kind of paranoid way. That's a mistake. If I wanted to take a shot at you or NYRA, I'd be blunt. I just wanted an answer to the current thinking on synthetics.

[wiretowire68]

That once the synthetic track is ready and Belmont is ready that Aqu. will be torn down and Belmont will be used all year round except for the summer meet at the Spa. They are putting in lights for night racing, the syn tracks are getting better and they are easier and cheaper to maintain. Mark Casse spoke about this, The racing days will not be cancelled and the meet handles will go up. Dirt racing is dying in a way and what happened at the Spa this summer, and I am not saying that could not happen on synthetic but the analytics are pointing to the fact that they are turning out to be the safer alternative. The Breeders Cup... has not returned since they tried it once but it was years ago and the technology has changed and so has weather i.e climate.

The powers that be are not being progressive enough in their thinking when it comes to racing and they wonder why people flock to online gaming and the casino's. Too bad, I would rather watch horse racing and learn a unique sport that sitting in front of machine watching it spin.

[classhandicapper]

Don't get me wrong, I couldn't possibly care less that he does it, I know who and what he is, as nothing awful he has done surprises me in the least, but he has done it, and this precludes him from being someone I should show even the least bit of respect. This notion by some horrendous people that I should be some kind of pinata for their lies and disgusting comments, simply because I work in racing, is preposterous.

I never attack you personally. That's 100% all BS. I don't blame you for being tired of some people attacking you personally. I'd hate it too. They are vicious. But that's not me. You are focused on the wrong guy. I disagree with you on some things. Big difference.

The worst thing I have ever done here was tell the truth about an incident at DRF when I worked there and why I should I have a major problem with YOU! That was during one of our previous blowouts when you were accusing me of all sorts of BS. Of course you called me a liar. I gave you the benefit of the doubt of either not remembering the incident or not being sensitive enough to understand the possible implications at the time, but you did do it and other employees knew about it.

If I could get past that, you should be able to get past me thinking using a bad favorite in the horizontals is a bad idea, thinking Zenyatta was better than her Beyer figures or thinking NYRA has made some mistakes along the way.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by wiretowire68

That once the synthetic track is ready and Belmont is ready that Aqu. will be torn down and Belmont will be used all year round except for the summer meet at the Spa..

Whoever said Aqueduct would be torn down???? It houses a casino. Why would that get torn down?

We will be moving to Belmont but Aqueduct will remain, just not as a racetrack.

[Poindexter]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

You are a bright guy. You read every post in the thread. You honestly missed that in post #28 Class was basically taking the ridiculous conspiracy from post 1, as an opportunity to pull a 'gotcha' on TLG?

Class is a good guy. TLG is a good guy. Both have years on the board and some difference of opinion. I'm not anyone to judge either's stance or take a side.

If you think industry employees should be even less personal with this kind of stuff, I don't agree, but I respect that. Feel free to clarify.

Post #1 read as:

Would they have cancelled yesterday and today if synthetic available?

Is this a way of conditioning their customer base for winter racing on the stuff?

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your take is that this is a ridiculous conspiracy. My take is that this is someone who saw something unusual and read something into it. Is it a ridiculous conspiracy theory to think that maybe NYRA is having a change of heart on their original plans? It may very well be incorrect, but the response I would have made if I was in TLG's position was

To my knowledge everything is going as originally planned. This was an unusual weather condition that was written about in this article, specifically paragraph 3. It was a jockey's decision and had nothing to do with the racetrack.


But Tlg's response was



Not that you are interested, but the reason for the cancellation had ZERO to do with the racetrack. Here's Dave Grening's article about the cancellation. I suggest reading the quote in the third paragraph...


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He basically says the same thing I would have said, but he does so in a way that attacks the op. I find that to be completely unnecessary and unprofessional.




Next you go onto post 28 which was a response to this post by TLG.

I am not a fan of synthetic racing but, based on what we are seeing at Gulfstream and Turfway, our field size will likely go up in the Winter if we are running on synth.


Ch's response was


I thought the synth track was only going to be used sparingly due to wet weather and off the turf races?


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If I was a horse player that played mainly the NYRA circuit and did not like synthetic racing and read TLG's post, I would also read into it, looks like maybe they are reconsidering. So Ch want's assurance that they are not going to go the route of more synthetic racing. This imo is a legitimate question and concern.


TLG, responds with


OK. What's the point? Not that you ever really have one.


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I hope that I don't have to explain that that is far beyond unprofessional. That is my take. I don't really worry about "gotcha". That is elementary school shit as far as I am concerned. But to each their own.

[thespaah]

Has anyone stopped to think as to why race times as AQU have been so slow?
The track composition has been changed to prevent freezing. The crew adds more sand and reduces clay. Salt is added as well.
Many cold weather tracks with traditional dirt surfaces do this ....
I did the research on this for another thread.
Essentially, the result is a quasi- all weather surface.
The point is, track managements in the northern latitudes do what they can to make sure the track surfaces are safe for racing and training
Sometimes, Mrs Nature prevents racing from happening.
It is what it is. We just have to deal with it.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by wiretowire68

That once the synthetic track is ready and Belmont is ready that Aqu. will be torn down and Belmont will be used all year round except for the summer meet at the Spa. They are putting in lights for night racing, the syn tracks are getting better and they are easier and cheaper to maintain. Mark Casse spoke about this, The racing days will not be cancelled and the meet handles will go up. Dirt racing is dying in a way and what happened at the Spa this summer, and I am not saying that could not happen on synthetic but the analytics are pointing to the fact that they are turning out to be the safer alternative. The Breeders Cup... has not returned since they tried it once but it was years ago and the technology has changed and so has weather i.e climate.

Just in general, the history of synthetic surfaces in sports is that they always get better and more "natural-like" over time. The original synthetic tracks in track and field in the late 1950's were basically rubberized asphalt and destroyed runners' sneakers. By the 1960's they were polyurethane. Nowadays they are cocktails of different synthetics that are optimized for energy return to the athlete, and athletes at all levels of competition insist on competing on them.

In baseball and football, the first surfaces were basically a plastic carpet and caused a ton of injuries and weird hops. Nowadays they are infilled products that behave exactly the same as natural grass when you run on them or hit a baseball on them.

I can't make many predictions about horse racing 50 years from now, but I am quite sure that if the sport still exists it will be running on synthetic surfaces that are optimized to behave just like natural grass or dirt while being suitable for all weather and safer for the horses. That's just the march of technology.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by Poindexter

Post #1 read as:
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Is this a way of conditioning their customer base for winter racing on the stuff?

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your take is that this is a ridiculous conspiracy. My take is that this is someone who saw something unusual and read something into it.
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First of all, I'm going to say your interpretation (Blue) is relatively strong.


There's a few things in this universe that I'm competent with and they don't include semantics to any significant extent.

I was wrong. Or at least there's a fair chance that I was wrong.

If there's a 'spectrum' with 'factual'in the middle, 'reading something into it' to the right, and conspiracy to the far-right, the OP may well have been 'reading something into it'.

Sorry about that.

Thank you for taking time to clarify and in a respectful fashion.

As far as the 'professionalism' discussion, I'm not going to go there.

On social media, people with industry jobs often don't ever interact to even genuine high quality material.

Some of that is because of their own flaws, some of this is their employers' flaws, and some of that is because of 'our' flaws.

I'm not going to discourage or 'gatekeep' an Andy Serling.
In this case I sort of agree with him. In some cases I don't agree with things ranging from his style to his opinion.

However, the only stuff a mature version of myself would be interested in discussing with strong opinions is the horse racing stuff.

[Poindexter]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

First of all, I'm going to say your interpretation (Blue) is relatively strong.



Thank you for taking time to clarify and in a respectful fashion.

That is sort of my point in all of this. I could have taken offense to your post and got nasty or gave a smart ass opinion, but what purpose does that serve? It would just make you upset, make me unpleasant and what do I gain by making you upset? Nothing. I am not perfect, but for the most part I try to be respectful to all people who post on this board. I do not have to agree with them, they don't have to agree with me. I am sure if you look hard enough there are a few posts where I was out of line. It happens.

From all I have seen TLG is highly respected on this board for being very good at what he does. Nobody can impress everybody. There will always be detractors. I also appreciate that he and Vic come on this board and contribute as racing "insiders". They both provide a lot to this board. Personally I wish more people in this industry would post (both on the handicapping side and industry side).

TLG must take a lot of crap on twitter (x) or elsewhere for him to act as he does. Which I get. Imo, he needs to realize that most people are not his enemies or detractors. Intelligent people can have very different opinions and can argue very respectfully about them. JMO.