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10-14-2011, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz
Let me get this straight... a FTS set the track record?
And people wonder why the speed numbers on this track are goofy?
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Speed numbers that don't take wind into account are going to be goofy no matter the surface. Unless you truly believe that 7500 claimers can get 7F in 122.2 because the track super wanted to speed up the track for a Friday afternoon card that included a feature race on the turf.
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10-14-2011, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Tread
Speed numbers that don't take wind into account are going to be goofy no matter the surface. Unless you truly believe that 7500 claimers can get 7F in 122.2 because the track super wanted to speed up the track for a Friday afternoon card that included a feature race on the turf.
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The track was lightning fast. Referring to it as " souped up " is not making some paranoid allusion to what the track super did...it's a euphemism.
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10-14-2011, 11:23 PM
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FYI--Applauding worked heads up with Congenial on 10/7 in a 4f gate move in 47 and 2/5. Congenial runs Saturday in Race 7 MSW route (9-2 ml) at Keeneland for Stall, Gomez rides.
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10-14-2011, 11:24 PM
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Seems like when they get rain, which they had yesterday it gets very quick.
It has been quicker than normal all meeting, and the combination today was unreal. The 2nd place horse lost by 9 at Arlington last race 111 2/5. Todays race which lost by 9 was 107 3/5.
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10-14-2011, 11:48 PM
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WIND.
shes an aerodynamic filly
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10-15-2011, 09:40 AM
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2-5 next time out in her first start against winners and then perhaps bouncy bouncy??
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10-15-2011, 09:48 AM
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Even with a faster than normal track and wind on the backstretch,I still think it is eye catching that it was a 2yo and a filly at that,that ran this fast.
What kind of speed-pace fig are you coming up with for this race CJ?
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10-15-2011, 10:21 AM
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What happens at Keeneland stays at Keeneland.
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10-15-2011, 10:54 AM
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This was all about the wind. The impact is more on the back stretch than the home stretch because the finish line is not exactly on the turn where they started from (and the impact is obv even more pronounced on 7f races). Additionally, the wind was a bit cool today and at 25-30mph sustained it undoubted cooled the track surface temp, which make poly faster.
For those of you scratching your heads wondering why a track super wanted to make the track faster today, it doesn't make any sense because it didn't happen that way. Conspiracy theories  |
It is not all about wind. It is certainly a factor, but moisture is factor #1 when it comes to track speed, especially on synthetics.
Back to wind, sure a tailwind down the backstretch could make times faster, but that is rarely the case. They run longer with the wind, but they are more tired when they run into the wind so the effect is multiplied.
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10-15-2011, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Striker
FYI--Applauding worked heads up with Congenial on 10/7 in a 4f gate move in 47 and 2/5. Congenial runs Saturday in Race 7 MSW route (9-2 ml) at Keeneland for Stall, Gomez rides.
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Shhhhhhhhhhh, keep it quiet! 
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10-15-2011, 01:55 PM
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the horse is ML 2nd choice and will probably go off around 7-2.
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10-15-2011, 03:22 PM
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What happens at Keeneland stays at Keeneland.
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This. 
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10-15-2011, 04:06 PM
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Let me get this straight... a FTS set the track record?
And people wonder why the speed numbers on this track are goofy?
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I no longer wonder why or play the track. Its' been a goofy track to play since they installed plasticrap.
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10-15-2011, 05:22 PM
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I no longer wonder why or play the track. Its' been a goofy track to play since they installed plasticrap.
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Exactly!
And SA earned a pass from me for this meet as well.
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10-16-2011, 07:50 PM
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CJ, I think you will find many people consider the surface temp of the poly a more important factor than the moisture content, which is why I said it was "all" about the wind. The wind is the reason the surface temp was cooler than all recent days, along with the fact that it applied more help than hindrance based on the direction it was blowing.
And as for the rest of you, really sad that you turned this into yet another opportunity to dismiss polytrack. But when you realize a FTS also holds the track record in a sprint distance (6.5f) at Churchill on dirt as well, you realize what a stupid talking point this was. Or maybe you don't and you keep looking for any way possible to talk down poly no matter how dumb the point.
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