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04-30-2018, 07:38 AM
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They aren’t going to lower takeout for people who don’t wager a certain amount. The less you play, the higher your takeout is...pretty much like any other business model.
This is the grid of my rebates.
Keep in mind I never play WPS.
I rarely play doubles or exactas.
99% of my plays are pick 3s or pick 4s, tris and supers.
Last edited by TiffaniO; 04-30-2018 at 07:41 AM.
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04-30-2018, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by TiffaniO
This is the grid of my rebates.
Keep in mind I never play WPS.
I rarely play doubles or exactas.
99% of my plays are pick 3s or pick 4s, tris and supers.
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What are your rebates for Santa Anita?
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04-30-2018, 07:42 AM
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Queen B
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I don’t play Santa Anita. So I didn’t ask them to put that in my deal. I told them the tracks I play and those are the ones listed.
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04-30-2018, 07:45 AM
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I don’t play Santa Anita. So I didn’t ask them to put that in my deal. I told them the tracks I play and those are the ones listed.
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Got it. Thanks for the information
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04-30-2018, 07:48 AM
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Got it. Thanks for the information
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And you are correct in the assumption about it matters what track you play. My previous adw couldn’t offer any rebate on any Stronach owned track. Thus why I got into the habit of not playing them.
The adw now offers me a decent rebate in Maryland tracks so I got back into that but Santa Anita and gulfstream make me yawn.
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04-30-2018, 07:50 AM
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And you are correct in the assumption about it matters what track you play. My previous adw couldn’t offer any rebate on any Stronach owned track. Thus why I got into the habit of not playing them.
The adw now offers me a decent rebate in Maryland tracks so I got back into that but Santa Anita and gulfstream make me yawn.
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In Ca you can get minimal rebates if you churn a million or more. I churn about 300K. Most states you can get decent rebates if you churn 300K
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04-30-2018, 07:52 AM
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Queen B
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In Ca you can get minimal rebates if you churn a million or more. I churn about 300K. Most states you can get decent rebates if you churn 300K
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I think that’s a certain racing companys influence putting the screws to you and other CA bettors.
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04-30-2018, 07:54 AM
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I think that’s a certain racing companys influence putting the screws to you and other CA bettors.
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It's a law passed by the Thoroughbred Owners of California. That's why I have no use for them.
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04-30-2018, 08:09 AM
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Queen B
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It's a law passed by the Thoroughbred Owners of California. That's why I have no use for them.
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Boycott their product.
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04-30-2018, 08:10 AM
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Boycott their product.
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Been there done that. Willing to do it again if HANA leads the way.
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04-30-2018, 08:18 AM
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Been there done that. Willing to do it again if HANA leads the way.
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A few years ago I couldn’t even bet on tracks within my state. I called legislators dozens of times and finally it was changed. I bluntly told them, I’m not going to the track to place those wagers so they can either relax the laws and get a lesser amount or getting nothing when I wager nothing with them.
Oddly enough, it worked.
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04-30-2018, 08:19 AM
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Or racing can lower takeout for everyone and make it a lot more likely the game will grow.
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I'm am for lower takeouts but it is not going to make the game grow. I am not sure anything will. MLB is trying to figure out ways to shorten a baseball game -- apparently it's too long and doesn't have enough action for any "new blood". Sounds like the attitude towards horse racing.
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04-30-2018, 08:20 AM
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A few years ago I couldn’t even bet on tracks within my state. I called legislators dozens of times and finally it was changed. I bluntly told them, I’m not going to the track to place those wagers so they can either relax the laws and get a lesser amount or getting nothing when I wager nothing with them.
Oddly enough, it worked.
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Come to Ca. We had them down 250 million in handle in 2011. We got a 14% take P5 in the first race. We got DD's back down to 20% and we got handle transparency on www.calracing.com website.
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04-30-2018, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by headhawg
I'm am for lower takeouts but it is not going to make the game grow. I am not sure anything will. MLB is trying to figure out ways to shorten a baseball game -- apparently it's too long and doesn't have enough action for any "new blood". Sounds like the attitude towards horse racing.
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I wrote this a couple of years ago. I'd adjust a little but the main point is the same
https://www.paulickreport.com/horsep...-horse-racing/
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04-30-2018, 08:34 AM
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Queen B
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Come to Ca. We had them down 250 million in handle in 2011. We got a 14% take P5 in the first race. We got DD's back down to 20% and we got handle transparency on www.calracing.com website. |
Well it sounds like you guys had them where you wanted them and let them off of the hook. What would help CA players the most? 14% pick 5s and 20% doubles or the ability to get a better rebate return for all bettors?
Kudos for doing it, but those two takeouts help a small percentage and many people wager on neither of those pools.
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