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11-28-2013, 09:21 PM
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What will amaze you about a handicapper?
What would you like to see done handicapping wise that will amaze you? Please post your comments below.
Last edited by NarrowRator; 11-28-2013 at 09:27 PM.
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11-28-2013, 09:23 PM
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Pick winners BEFORE the race and discuss WHY...before THE race 
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11-28-2013, 09:28 PM
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What if they pick the winners but don't have the time to discuss it due to the amount of work and tracks to do?
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11-28-2013, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by NarrowRator
What would you like to see done handicapping wise that will amaze you? Please post your comments below.
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For myself,Im most interested in those who play day-in and out and are profitable or make their living from this game.
I am not one of those.Im an active player now and have bet on over 3700 races this year,and while I can keep my bankroll....I have a difficult time significantly growing it.So hearing from others (like some on this site) who I believe are able to do it are what "amazes" me.I enjoy the game and for the most part am not bored by it.......but if I didnt think I had a chance to win long-term I would probably give it up.
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11-29-2013, 12:09 AM
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Racing Form Detective
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Originally Posted by sammy the sage
Pick winners BEFORE the race and discuss WHY...before THE race |
I may try that one day. The major problem I have is that I am a slow and lousy typist. Maybe after the first of the year I might give it a shot for a day on the AQU inner.
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
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11-29-2013, 12:12 AM
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Racing Form Detective
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Originally Posted by NarrowRator
What would you like to see done handicapping wise that will amaze you? Please post your comments below.
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Turf performance ratings that are even half way accurate.
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
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11-29-2013, 12:26 AM
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C'est Tout
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A handicapper who picks at least three races a day for an entire meet (at one track) and shows a $2 win bet profit.
Okay, maybe I wouldn't be "amazed", but I damn sure would be impressed.
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11-29-2013, 12:37 AM
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99 9/10% of everyone loses at this game. even if you are good at it, its a lot tougher than it ever was and there are no signs that it is getting any easier.
the way i am set up, i have lost every year for the last 10. through the years things have changed. there were days when they booked horses in Nevada and the money never went back to the track. there was no rebates back then either, yet the game was beatable. there were also house quinella's that were easy as pie.
today even with the big rebates its tougher to win. pari-mutuel is a zero sum gain, the more you bet, the less chance you have.
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11-29-2013, 02:44 AM
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I'll just share how my life was as a fantasy.
Before the internet waaay back in the 1990's I was a library rat.Sure I could go out and party on a Friday night but the best thing was hanging out in the stacks on Saturday.Istill love that idea and do it.
It's not a fantasy.This is how I live.You love me or **** off!
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11-29-2013, 04:44 AM
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I wonder how many people, upon reflection, wish they had been library rats instead of party animals.
I have nothing against partying but being a smarter dog is better.
Damn it!
I wish I would have learned that when I was...oh I don't know....18? 
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Have you ever noticed that those who do not have a pot to piss in nor a window to throw it out of always seem to know how to handle the money of those who do.
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11-29-2013, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
Turf performance ratings that are even half way accurate.
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Which ones are you using these days?
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11-29-2013, 09:59 AM
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Racing Form Detective
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Originally Posted by MJC922
Which ones are you using these days?
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None because everything I have tried, I did not like or find useful. I open to suggestions if they don't cost too much. I would like something like a speed rating on a dirt track. I took a look at Quirin's last quarter method and did not find it useful.
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
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11-29-2013, 10:17 AM
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Out-of-town Jasper
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Originally Posted by lamboguy
pari-mutuel is a zero sum gain, the more you bet, the less chance you have.
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Don't we wish it was. A zero sum game would mean no takeout and no breakage. Parimutuel is considerably worse than zero sum.
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11-29-2013, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximillion
For myself,Im most interested in those who play day-in and out and are profitable or make their living from this game.
I am not one of those.Im an active player now and have bet on over 3700 races this year,and while I can keep my bankroll....I have a difficult time significantly growing it.So hearing from others (like some on this site) who I believe are able to do it are what "amazes" me.I enjoy the game and for the most part am not bored by it.......but if I didnt think I had a chance to win long-term I would probably give it up.
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Ditto that, Max. And I think the answer is really just MATH, which has always been a weak area for me. I've read Crist's "Exotic Betting" to try to get a better idea about structuring wagers, but I not only need to get better at that, I 'also' need to be able to calculate payoffs in my head to be able to tell what's going to be profitable. I think I'm an 'okay' novice handicapper, and often successfully land on horses that the aforementioned "pros" don't seem to see coming, but I don't capitalize on my little bit of ability very well.
I need an easy-to-understand, step-by-step, 1-2-3 comprehensive MATH course (preferably on video rather than written form) that doesn't leave anything out, that focuses on both intrarace and multirace exotics, and that's taught by someone who's profitable year in and year out.
That type of quick mathematical acumen that leads to profitability, combined with the teaching ability to convey those betting techniques to an ADHD knucklehead like me who's borderline retarded in that area -- THAT would amaze me.
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11-29-2013, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
None because everything I have tried, I did not like or find useful. I open to suggestions if they don't cost too much. I would like something like a speed rating on a dirt track. I took a look at Quirin's last quarter method and did not find it useful.
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Wouldn't promote my stuff over any other but do have complete faith in it and use it daily. Budgets are a personal thing though and hard to say if something is worth paying x amount for.
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