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01-17-2013, 08:30 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Fort Worth,Texas
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Things I have learned on this forum
After several glasses of merlot I ready to list the things I have learned on the forum.
1. Class is the only way to beat the races
2. Since class is hard to define it is worthless in handicapping
3. Speed rating are worthless because they are inaccurate
4 You can't be a successful handicapper without using speed ratings
5 Pace is the one way to beat the races
6. Pace is worthless
7. Quirin's running type and speed points are worthless
8 Quirin's running style and speed points are helpful
9. Par times are worthless
10. You can't be a successful handicapper without par times.
11. Raw times are better than speed ratings
12 Track variants are worthless in handicapping
13 Track variants are inaccurate
I am sure that I have left something out but my mind is clouded now
Jack
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01-17-2013, 08:40 PM
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CHEESEY
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Was this a wine induced epiphany or were the grapes just incedental to your findings?
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01-17-2013, 08:55 PM
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Thailand
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Originally Posted by jasperson
After several glasses of merlot I ready to list the things I have learned on the forum.
1. Class is the only way to beat the races
2. Since class is hard to define it is worthless in handicapping
3. Speed rating are worthless because they are inaccurate
4 You can't be a successful handicapper without using speed ratings
5 Pace is the one way to beat the races
6. Pace is worthless
7. Quirin's running type and speed points are worthless
8 Quirin's running style and speed points are helpful
9. Par times are worthless
10. You can't be a successful handicapper without par times.
11. Raw times are better than speed ratings
12 Track variants are worthless in handicapping
13 Track variants are inaccurate.
I am sure that I have left something out but my mind is clouded now
Jack
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Jas,
Yes you have left out something:
14. There is one absolute truth about profitability in racing.
15. No, there are no absolute truths. It is debatable whether it exists or not.
Last edited by dkithore; 01-17-2013 at 08:56 PM.
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01-17-2013, 09:02 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
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Originally Posted by jasperson
After several glasses of merlot I ready to list the things I have learned on the forum.
1. Class is the only way to beat the races
2. Since class is hard to define it is worthless in handicapping
3. Speed rating are worthless because they are inaccurate
4 You can't be a successful handicapper without using speed ratings
5 Pace is the one way to beat the races
6. Pace is worthless
7. Quirin's running type and speed points are worthless
8 Quirin's running style and speed points are helpful
9. Par times are worthless
10. You can't be a successful handicapper without par times.
11. Raw times are better than speed ratings
12 Track variants are worthless in handicapping
13 Track variants are inaccurate
I am sure that I have left something out but my mind is clouded now
Jack
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This is IMO the best horse racing forum anywhere.....maybe you should switch to beer.
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01-17-2013, 09:11 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Fort Worth,Texas
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Originally Posted by Maximillion
This is IMO the best horse racing forum anywhere.....maybe you should switch to beer.
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I switch from beer to wine because beer gave me a headache and it affected my handicapping
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01-17-2013, 09:14 PM
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Racing Form Detective
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lincoln, Ne but my heart is at Santa Anita
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I switch from wine to beer because it didn't affect my handicapping.
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
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01-17-2013, 09:29 PM
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dGnr8
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Niagara, Ontario
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Jack, did you want some cheese with that whine?
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The great menace to progress is not ignorance but the illusion of knowledge - Daniel J. Boorstin
The takers get the honey, the givers sing the blues - Robin Trower, Too Rolling Stoned - 1974
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01-17-2013, 09:44 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: MILWAUKEE
Posts: 5,285
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black jack and cheese.....skip the cheese 
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Never tell your problems to anyone because 20% flat don't care and 80% are glad they are yours.
No Balls.......No baby!
Have you ever noticed that those who do not have a pot to piss in nor a window to throw it out of always seem to know how to handle the money of those who do.
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01-17-2013, 09:52 PM
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Screw PC
Join Date: Jun 2003
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Originally Posted by dkithore
Jas,
Yes you have left out something:
14. There is one absolute truth about profitability in racing.
15. No, there are no absolute truths. It is debatable whether it exists or not.
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The only absolute is there are not any absolutes. - me
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Truth sounds like hate to those who hate truth.
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01-17-2013, 10:11 PM
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Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 515
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Originally Posted by Maximillion
This is IMO the best horse racing forum anywhere.....maybe you should switch to beer.
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True, but is that the good news or the bad news.
jk.
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01-17-2013, 10:14 PM
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The 19th Hole
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Russellville, KY
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Originally Posted by jasperson
After several glasses of merlot I ready to list the things I have learned on the forum.
1. Class is the only way to beat the races
2. Since class is hard to define it is worthless in handicapping
3. Speed rating are worthless because they are inaccurate
4 You can't be a successful handicapper without using speed ratings
5 Pace is the one way to beat the races
6. Pace is worthless
7. Quirin's running type and speed points are worthless
8 Quirin's running style and speed points are helpful
9. Par times are worthless
10. You can't be a successful handicapper without par times.
11. Raw times are better than speed ratings
12 Track variants are worthless in handicapping
13 Track variants are inaccurate
I am sure that I have left something out but my mind is clouded now
Jack
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 Great post!!
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01-17-2013, 10:44 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 2,815
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01-17-2013, 11:44 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Boston+Ocala
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betting on horses is no different than any other thing that moves and breathes and tries to use any type of thought process. i would have a very tough time proving anyone to be wrong, but very easy to convince myself if i am doing something wrong.
in the world of ADW accounts these days it is very easy to tell if you are on the right path or the wrong one. all you have to do is look at your balance that appears on your account. if it is more than what you started with, you have done something right. if less than you are in the wrong direction. you don't need to listen to anyone else telling you what's right or wrong, you can see it with your own 2 eyes.
because i am a 40 year veteran of the wars of winning at betting on horse racing, i have seen plenty of different ways to skin a cat. there are people that do different things than myself that are winning at this game right now. i don't copy them, because i can't. my balance goes down in my ADW account just about every day for the past 10 years. i keep on dreaming that i can turn back the clocks to when i did win consistently year after year before simulcasting and rebates. the fact of the matter is that there are plenty of systems and methods are great until you go up against the parimutual takeout. that is the killer of this game.
today some guy took down a few pools in the sixth race at Aqueduct. he had a plan and got all the money. he deserves plenty of credit for his courage and conviction's.
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01-17-2013, 11:50 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
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Tug on Boxcar's cape in the thread entitled Religious.
Oops. I meant don't tug on Superman's cape in any other thread. 
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01-18-2013, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by dkithore
Jas,
Yes you have left out something:
14. There is one absolute truth about profitability in racing.
15. No, there are no absolute truths. It is debatable whether it exists or not.
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16. The pencil and paper guy's days are numbered. He can't compete with the high-tech players.
17. The computer is not savvy enough to deal with all the aspects of handicapping.
18. Win-betting is where it's at.
19. The exotics are where the big profits lie.
20. A good mentor is invaluable in this game.
21. Those who can...do -- and those who can't...teach.
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