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[Itamaraca]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Yeah, I'm tired of the best racing and the biggest mutuel pools in the country too...

I would much rather CDI take over and see NY become a second stringer to some of their other (what they consider) "more prestigious" holdings...

I mean, wouldn't you?

Prove it. Instead of just giving me the same thing over and over. NYRA is not offering a better product that WO or CD or KEE or GP or TAM. This isn't 1980, plenty of other tracks doing some good things. And, the prices are a hell of a lot better just about anywhere than at NYRA. I know, this is because all the sharp players are at NYRA tracks.

There's never a point during the year when a NYRA track is my primary. So, maybe new management can do something to change that.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by Itamaraca

Prove it. Instead of just giving me the same thing over and over. NYRA is not offering a better product that WO or CD or KEE or GP or TAM. This isn't 1980, plenty of other tracks doing some good things. And, the prices are a hell of a lot better just about anywhere than at NYRA. I know, this is because all the sharp players are at NYRA tracks.

There's never a point during the year when a NYRA track is my primary. So, maybe new management can do something to change that.

You do realize that if in fact you are right about the prices then this is exactly the reason...right? There is, of course, no other explanation.

[The Hawk]

Originally Posted by the little guy

You do realize that if in fact you are right about the prices then this is exactly the reason...right? There is, of course, no other explanation.

Not necessarily: short fields, uncompetitive races could also be an explanation. It may or may not apply in the case of NYRA, but to me that seems to be the cause much of the time.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Itamaraca

Prove it. Instead of just giving me the same thing over and over. NYRA is not offering a better product that WO or CD or KEE or GP or TAM. This isn't 1980, plenty of other tracks doing some good things. And, the prices are a hell of a lot better just about anywhere than at NYRA. I know, this is because all the sharp players are at NYRA tracks.

There's never a point during the year when a NYRA track is my primary. So, maybe new management can do something to change that.

You're just not thinking clearly if you think for one second NY racing gets better under CDI or Frank Stronach...

[cj]

Originally Posted by The Hawk

Not necessarily: short fields, uncompetitive races could also be an explanation. It may or may not apply in the case of NYRA, but to me that seems to be the cause much of the time.

They bet NYRA because of pool size, where you can actually still make a $200 bet.

[affirmedny]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

You're just not thinking clearly if you think for one second NY racing gets better under CDI or Frank Stronach...

or if you think that NYRA doesn't have a better product than Tampa Bay

[mannyberrios]

Originally Posted by cj

They bet NYRA because of pool size, where you can actually still make a $200 bet.

Yes you can !

[burnsy]

[QUOTE=Itamaraca]Prove it. Instead of just giving me the same thing over and over. NYRA is not offering a better product that WO or CD or KEE or GP or TAM. This isn't 1980, plenty of other tracks doing some good things. And, the prices are a hell of a lot better just about anywhere than at NYRA. I know, this is because all the sharp players are at NYRA tracks.

The prices are better because you are stuck betting on lower class animals, lower class jockeys and lower class barns. Of course the prices are higher, the horses and participants are half as consistant. So you will probably hit way less times...so you are right the smart money gets bet in NY. Why would bettors want rat races when they are betting alot, many days of the year? Its not just that the horse players are sharper. Its because the horses are actually bet-able. This brings the sharpest bettors. None of them come close to the season NYRA has built during the summer and fall. Its not the 1980's, the racing here is so much better its almost a monopoly now. New Jersey is gone from the equation and competition....because they did this garbage.......NYRA should be thanking them but our governor is going to follow that fat blow hard down the same path....lol. This is the last place that has not been down graded by the private companies...yeah, Tampa and some other tracks have done good things, but c'mon, not many people are going to take you seriously about the racing being better. From where i'm sitting, Gulfstream is a strike out (cheap racing for weeks), California is a mess and so is Keenland...but somehow some of these same types are going to do better than NYRA? I just don't see how that happens when i look at these other tracks. The racing has half the problems here...its great racing...everyone gravitates to it! The problems here are political ones. You almost have to lie to yourself to think someone else will do better. I don't just bet for a good price...i also bet because i hope that the horse will run like it did a few weeks before...thats what better horses do. People that bet horses are betting because they feel like they have, half a chance of winning...its not the slots or the lottery numbers. The biggest and smartest money will always go to the best racing. Just like other people said, you can bet here and it does not change the pool in a negative way...because most people that are betting, are betting here. First the state will run NYRA out...then they will retract the slot money...then they will charge another firm to handle racing...ok genius.......how does it get better from there? If you can explain how the racing gets better, i'll listen...if you are trying to convince me that Tampa is better than Saratoga or Belmont...i'll laugh in your face....lol

[Robert Goren]

NY racing has generally have the largest pools because of its location. Generally it has better horses competing. As for it having bettable races, that is matter of opinion. The one thing there is no doubt about, It has the best internet personal doing the the broadcasts. I have two gripes about it. In the summer the run too many turf races for my liking. The inner track races at AQU in the last couple of years have become a joke with their short fields and heavy favorites with tons of late money coming on them.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by affirmedny

or if you think that NYRA doesn't have a better product than Tampa Bay

Or Churchill (anyone watch Churchill this spring?), or Gulfstream, etc, etc.

They do some things wrong, but they have had and continue to have the best racing product in the country.

[burnsy]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

NY racing has generally have the largest pools because of its location. Generally it has better horses competing. As for it having bettable races, that is matter of opinion. The one thing there is no doubt about, It has the best internet personal doing the the broadcasts. I have two gripes about it. In the summer the run too many turf races for my liking. The inner track races at AQU in the last couple of years have become a joke with their short fields and heavy favorites with tons of late money coming on them.

I'm not talking about the winter months......they could close for a month for all i care. I'm talking quality and demand here....thinking its the location is short sighted..people can bet from ANYWHERE and they do. If you guys think it can't get down graded because this is NY, you are nuts. The dynamic of this whole thing is NYRA is good at getting the best....they actually will spend everything to do it.......no one else will do that. If you are a bettor and a fan...you won't listen to the propaganda...you will strictly look at the racing itself and who does it best.....every track is having field problems...look at that joke 4 horse race at Parx this weekend. The short fields are a national problem for the biggest races...but if you look at the racing itself with any objectivity at all...the best of everything races here for the peak of the season...its not even debatable. Thats why they get the best of everything to the presentation you just mentioned....NYRA makes the superior product...it could be anywhere but its here. It is not JUST the location.....they make sure it is good racing, good presentation and high stakes. If you think anyone can come here and do better.just because its NY..i'm saying they probably won't. If the state ...pulls the slot money...i'm saying they can't....and charges them too...its impossible. I'm willing to bet that this is the move the state will make...wait and see. Then you will all be crying the blues....what happened to NY????? They have the location..so did NJ...that and a buck eighty gets them a cup of coffee now....lol...lol..lol

[OTM Al]

My question for the day is as follows. The State instituted the following claiming rule this past year as a result of the breakdowns at Aqueduct:

"On July 25, 2012, the New York Racing and Wagering Board approved a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking to amend Section 4038.2 of 9 NYCRR which will provide that the minimum price for which a claim may be entered in a claiming race shall not be less then fifty percent the value of the purse for the race."

Race 5 at Finger Lakes on 9/25 had the following conditions

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up | CLAIMING ( $8,000 ) | Purse: $16,400
EXACTA * TRIFECTA * SUPERFECTA (10 Cent Minimum) * DAILY DOUBLE (Races 5-6)


The question is twofold. First, how's your math? Second, why isn't the State going after FL?

[cj]

Originally Posted by OTM Al

The question is twofold. First, how's your math? Second, why isn't the State going after FL?

You really think anyone at NYRWB is actually checking this?

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by cj

You really think anyone at NYRWB is actually checking this?

Of course not. Just pointing out the hypocracy.

[johnhannibalsmith]

I think that in the case of that race, the available money was the $16,400 with $2,400 available to NYbred winners from a breeder's fund or something. Looks like the actual purse was $14k and change. I'm not sure how the law deal with "available purse" versus "actual purse" or if the reference is to money that comes directly from the purse fund as opposed to the cumulative from all sources, or what... Just pointing out, perhaps incorrectly, that the 50% rule may apply to the "base purse" when I look at that sort of race.