De-Trumpitize the supreme court

[hcap]

Originally Posted by pandy

As someone once said, "Elections have consequences."

Sure. It was Moscow Mitch 8 months before the next presidential election, DENYING that the election of the then sitting president,........had any.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by pandy

As someone once said, "Elections have consequences."

Yes, and those three little words have reverberated throughout the conservative ranks ever since. That was a call to arms for the right. Thanks Obama!!

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by hcap

Sure. It was Moscow Mitch 8 months before the next presidential election, DENYING that the election of the then sitting president,........had any.

It is the United States Senate's prerogative to consider and confirm a nominee, the sitting President has NO say inside a co-equal branch of government.

You will not be missed.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Sure. It was Moscow Mitch 8 months before the next presidential election, DENYING that the election of the then sitting president,........had any.

Mitch was just following historical precedent back then...just as he is doing now.

[myohmyjustify]

Originally Posted by hcap

Sure. It was Moscow Mitch 8 months before the next presidential election, DENYING that the election of the then sitting president,........had any.

Democrats had 8 months leading into the 2016 election and make their case on why Republicans running for the US Senate (and Donald Trump) should all lose because of the importance of the Supreme Court and the Merritt Garland issue.

Very few Democrats did try and make Merritt Garland an issue and paint Moscow Mitch as the villain. Hillary Clinton never really made him or the Court a reason to vote for her.

But Republicans did make the Court an important issue and Donald Trump, in an unprecedented move, gave out a list of 25 conservative judges he would consider for the Supreme Court if elected. Trump made the Court an issue.

And, as we know now, the Republicans gained seats in the US Senate, and President Trump is now on his way to making his third pick for the Court. Exit polls in 2016 said the Court was a very BIG reason why they voted for Trump and the GOP.

Democrats can now moan and groan and call Sen. McConnell, Republicans and Trump supporters horrible and nasty names until the cows come home, but the bottom line is this -- too bad, Democrats had their chances over the years and failed to do anything in this regard. Elections do matter.

[Tor Ekman]

[OntheRail]

Originally Posted by hcap

Sure. It was Moscow Mitch 8 months before the next presidential election, DENYING that the election of the then sitting president,........had any.

No he did not... Mitch confirmed that point. Obama nominated as required. Mitch choosing not to bring it forward that was a consequence of the Democrats losing control of the Senate.

Obama wanted a favor from the Republican... they treated him inkind.

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Mitch was just following historical precedent back then...just as he is doing now.

Lyndon Johnson ALSO waited until after an election when putting up a new justice

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

Lyndon Johnson ALSO waited until after an election when putting up a new justice

So? There's still a lot of preceded for what Trump and Mitchell are doing.

[Jeff P]

From Lyndon Johnson's Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson

1948 U.S. Senate election

Main article: 1948 United States Senate election in Texas

In the 1948 elections, Johnson again ran for the Senate and won in a highly controversial Democratic Party primary against the well-known former governor Coke Stevenson. Johnson drew crowds to fairgrounds with his rented helicopter, dubbed "The Johnson City Windmill". He raised money to flood the state with campaign circulars and won over conservatives by casting doubts on Stevenson's support for the Taft-Hartley Act (curbing union power). Stevenson came in first in the primary but lacked a majority, so a runoff election was held; Johnson campaigned harder, while Stevenson's efforts slumped due to a lack of funds.

The runoff vote count, handled by the Democratic State Central Committee, took a week. Johnson was announced the winner by 87 votes out of 988,295, an extremely narrow margin of victory. However, Johnson's victory was based on 200 "patently fraudulent"[46]:608 ballots reported six days after the election from Box 13 in Jim Wells County, in an area dominated by political boss George Parr. The added names were in alphabetical order and written with the same pen and handwriting, following at the end of the list of voters. Some of the persons in this part of the list insisted that they had not voted that day.[47] Election judge Luis Salas said in 1977 that he had certified 202 fraudulent ballots for Johnson.[48] Robert Caro made the case in his 1990 book that Johnson had stolen the election in Jim Wells County, and that there were thousands of fraudulent votes in other counties as well, including 10,000 votes switched in San Antonio.[49] The Democratic State Central Committee voted to certify Johnson's nomination by a majority of one (29–28), with the last vote cast on Johnson's behalf by the publisher Frank W. Mayborn of Temple, Texas. The state Democratic convention upheld Johnson. Stevenson went to court, eventually taking his case before the US Supreme Court, but with timely help from his friend and future US Supreme Court Justice Abe Fortas, Johnson prevailed on the basis that jurisdiction over naming a nominee rested with the party, not the federal government. Johnson soundly defeated Republican Jack Porter in the general election in November and went to Washington, permanently dubbed "Landslide Lyndon." Johnson, dismissive of his critics, happily adopted the nickname.[50]

-jp

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[myohmyjustify]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

Lyndon Johnson ALSO waited until after an election when putting up a new justice

You must mean Abe Fortas, zilzal.

President Johnson did wait until after the 1964 election, so you are correct. But there was a very important political reason why he did so and it wasn't good government he had in mind. Democrats rarely have shown an interest in good government, then as in now.

Pres. Johnson waited only because he felt winning the 1964 election handily would push the Senate into confirming Fortas, who had some dubious financial baggage. LBJ did win in a landslide, did put Fortas up for a vote, but the Senate rejected him. Fortas would be forced to later resign because of financial criminality.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

Lyndon Johnson ALSO waited until after an election when putting up a new justice

No one cares about LBJ.

[PaceAdvantage]

Plus LBJ was a confirmed racist. I've posted videos of him using the "N" word.

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by boxcar

So? There's still a lot of preceded for what Trump and Mitchell are doing.

NONE

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by boxcar

So? There's still a lot of preceded for what Trump and Mitchell are doing.

I agree.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...s-biden-421934