Typical NYRA steward garbage

[metro]

Thought the ride on Elate was similar to Rosario's on Forever Unbridled against Songbird in last year's Personal Ensign, as they hit the 1/8th pole riders keeping their mounts several paths off of the leader so the leader, hopefully, doesn't have a chance to re-engage.

Elate was hanging though so J. Ortiz went to a RH whip while bringing his mount in a few paths, about the same time that Smith, who was on Songbird last year and wasn't going to lose the same way, subtlety let Abel Tasman drift towards her foe.

Smith was more at fault but if Oritz doesn't come in there likely isn't a bump.

[biggestal99]

Sore loser Ortiz can’t believe he could get past Abel on the up and up so he cried to the stewards.

No dice.

Abel was best once again.

Allan

[BIG49010]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Sore loser Ortiz can’t believe he could get past Abel on the up and up so he cried to the stewards.

No dice.

Abel was best once again.

Allan

I think it was more a case of he screwed up, changed hands with his whip, and horse didn't respond and lugged in. He knew he screwed up, and tried to blame Smith.

[NY BRED]

Great thoughts, hopefully one day you will own a thoroughbred and be
involved in a controversial ruling of Thre Blind Mice

[GMB@BP]

a foul is a foul would clean this up right quick. cant blame riders for just taking advantage of the way the stewards judge races.

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by NY BRED

Great thoughts, hopefully one day you will own a thoroughbred and be
involved in a controversial ruling of Thre Blind Mice

I like the uk rule in which the bettors are not punished because of the jockey.

Jockey gets days but the result stands for the bettors.

Allan

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

a foul is a foul would clean this up right quick. cant blame riders for just taking advantage of the way the stewards judge races.

The racing rules as currently written are not perfect. When any inquiry involves subjective opinion it's not foolproof.

However there is one fact that is 100% correct.

A foul is a foul. Doesn't work. Has never worked and will NEVER work.

[castaway01]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

I like the uk rule in which the bettors are not punished because of the jockey.

Jockey gets days but the result stands for the bettors.

Allan

Right, so you can run a rival through the rail but "the result stands for the bettors".

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

100% agree, and I had no vested interest in the race......Ridiculous amount of time the stewards spent looking at a jockey's objection.

Seems to me they've DQ'd for that kind of contact in other races plenty of times. The question is, Are the stewards tougher on what constitutes a foul in a high quality grade 1 race? I suspect the exact same stretch run in a $12,500 claimer on a Thursday would have resulted in a DQ.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

Seems to me they've DQ'd for that kind of contact in other races plenty of times. The question is, Are the stewards tougher on what constitutes a foul in a high quality grade 1 race? I suspect the exact same stretch run in a $12,500 claimer on a Thursday would have resulted in a DQ.

I will remind you that this was a JOCKEY's objection, which took 8 minutes to determine, not a stewards inquiry......Got to be politics in every damn thing.

"Following an objection by the rider of ELATE against the rider of ABEL TASMAN alleging interference, the result was allowed to stand and the race was declared official."

Per Equibase

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

I will remind you that this was a JOCKEY's objection, which took 8 minutes to determine, not a stewards inquiry......Got to be politics in every damn thing.

"Following an objection by the rider of ELATE against the rider of ABEL TASMAN alleging interference, the result was allowed to stand and the race was declared official."

Per Equibase

There have been cases where a mere "jockey's objection" led to a DQ...without the accompaniment of a stewards inquiry. I agree with Halvey. Why this maddening inconsistency in the stewards decisions? Why is this sort of an incident sometimes a DQ...and sometimes not?

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Why is this sort of an incident sometimes a DQ...and sometimes not?

Bottom-line, there's always an outcry of some sort when one of the ORTIZ' brothers is involved.

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

Seems to me they've DQ'd for that kind of contact in other races plenty of times. The question is, Are the stewards tougher on what constitutes a foul in a high quality grade 1 race? I suspect the exact same stretch run in a $12,500 claimer on a Thursday would have resulted in a DQ.

I never was. Additionally I never worked with a California Steward who took the importance of the race into account.

The rule book is the same for claimers as it is for Grade 1 types.

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

There have been cases where a mere "jockey's objection" led to a DQ...without the accompaniment of a stewards inquiry. I agree with Halvey. Why this maddening inconsistency in the stewards decisions? Why is this sort of an incident sometimes a DQ...and sometimes not?

No two races are exactly alike.

In this case I believe the stewards were correct in leaving the result alone.

IMO both horses contributed to the late bumping.

Did Abel Tasman "contribute" slightly more?

Perhaps. But now were splitting hairs to a degree that shouldn't result in a DQ.

I know it's frustrating. People talk all the time about the real "C" word. Consistency.

I hate that word. When people agreed with my decisions I was wonderfully consistent.

When they thought I got it wrong my consistency went out the window.

Huh?

(thask) check your private messages

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by castaway01

Right, so you can run a rival through the rail but "the result stands for the bettors".

Right.

I guarantee you the uk stewards would take a dim view of that kind of riding.

Jock would get many days for sure.

I watch many uk races and don’t have nearly the rough riding incidents that you have in the us.

Allan