Religion III

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

"What does the Bible say about how to find purpose in life?"

https://www.gotquestions.org/QOTW.htm

P.S. In an impersonal, purposeless, intentionality-free universe, there cannot possibly be any true, objective, universal purpose to any life form. Whatever purpose any non-believer dreams up is purely subjective and speculative in nature.

Human brains are pattern-seeking and agency-detecting. We evolved these tendencies as social animals, to be very adept at recognizing purposeful, intentional action on the part of other people, as well as on the part of predators or prey. These traits were likely favored by natural selection because of their survival value. We’re so adept at identifying patterns and deliberate intention that we overshoot, seeing meaningful patterns in meaningless ‘noise’ and attributing agency to inanimate objects and random natural events. This can lead people to believe that such events are controlled by supernatural agents.

C'mon box, seeing purposeful meaningful patterns in clouds is par for the course for our nature.

When patterns do exist, and life and the universe is chock full of them, --- (laws of nature, the way things work), we may and otfen do educate ourselves properly. Evidently discriminating between imagination and reality is at the crux of the problem

Do you think that god or evolution created the physical arrangement of our noses and ears just so to support our eyeglasses?

The "argument from design", also known as the teleological argument or "argument from intelligent design", has been advanced in theology for centuries.

Not again!!!!!!

[hcap]

Btw, in Buddhism, Hiduism, buddhi is the Sanskrit term for the conscious faculty that helps clarify or discriminate between our fancies and the way things are. Real patterns from artificial ones.

Buddhi is a Vedic Sanskrit word that means the intellectual faculty and the power to "form and retain concepts, reason, discern, judge, comprehend, understand"

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[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

C'mon box, seeing purposeful meaningful patterns in clouds is par for the course for our nature.

When patterns do exist, and life and the universe is chock full of them, --- (laws of nature, the way things work), we may and otfen do educate ourselves properly. Evidently discriminating between imagination and reality is at the crux of the problem

Do you think that god or evolution created the physical arrangement of our noses and ears just so to support our eyeglasses?

The "argument from design", also known as the teleological argument or "argument from intelligent design", has been advanced in theology for centuries.

Not again!!!!!!

IMPOSSIBLE! Since the impersonal, purposeless, intentionality-free universe is our MOTHER and we have its "DNA" running through us, as it were, whatever "purposeful meaningful patterns in clouds" we think we see are products of our delusional state of mind.

The Law of Identity cannot be broken! X cannot be Y. Or A be non-A

Since there is no intentionality or teleology behind evolution, there cannot possibly be any ends or final causes in evolution. Evolution is blind and random and without design or purpose.

Only with the God model of creation -- the model of intelligent, transcendent power can have directed, purposeful ends.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

Ad hominem!

Not very original.

It was as original as your very predictable reply.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

IMPOSSIBLE! Since the impersonal, purposeless, intentionality-free universe is our MOTHER and we have its "DNA" running through us, as it were, whatever "purposeful meaningful patterns in clouds" we think we see are products of our delusional state of mind.

Delusional, only if we confuse our 1/2 ass patterns for the real ones.

You propose your own faulty "patterns" here that all the time. And when anyone confronts you about evidence supporting your propositions, or reminds you, the bur den of proof for that evidence falls on you, you always fudge, divert and deflect.

How's bout demonstrating how randomness and chaos are purposeful and intentional?*****

Take on "Murphy's law" instead of the "law of identity". Anyone who has ever worked in the real world responsible to produce or contribute real patterns world patterns, has to deal with Murphy. Since you won't tell us what you did in the "real world", I imagine the only timer you came across how easily things fall apart and fail, was when Sgt. Murphy raided your drug dealings.

*****In the common parlance, randomness is the apparent lack of pattern or predictability in events. A random sequence of events, symbols or steps often has no order and does not follow an intelligible pattern or combination. ... The fields of mathematics, probability, and statistics use formal definitions of randomness.
See any PATTERNS?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Delusional, only if we confuse our 1/2 ass patterns for the real ones.

You propose your own faulty "patterns" here that all the time. And when anyone confronts you about evidence supporting your propositions, or reminds you, the bur den of proof for that evidence falls on you, you always fudge, divert and deflect.

How's bout demonstrating how randomness and chaos are purposeful and intentional?*****

Take on "Murphy's law" instead of the "law of identity". Anyone who has ever worked in the real world responsible to produce or contribute real patterns world patterns, has to deal with Murphy. Since you won't tell us what you did in the "real world", I imagine the only timer you came across how easily things fall apart and fail, was when Sgt. Murphy raided your drug dealings.

If you turn "random" on its head or turn it inside out, would you get teleology out of that.

The very first definition of the adjective "random" is: lacking definite plan, purpose or pattern.

In my same dictionary, in the synonyms sections it reads for this term: RANDOM, HAPHAZARD, CASUAL mean determined by ACCIDENT rather than design. RANDOM stresses lack of definite aim, fixed goal or regular procedure.

I thought a self-loving, self-worshiping, card-carryin', devout atheist like yourself would know this entire universe is one big cosmic accident! On the other hand, I guess this is why so many people are classified as Dumb, Dumber or Dumbest -- with you owning the top ranked spot.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

If you turn "random" on its head or turn it inside out, would you get teleology out of that.

The very first definition of the adjective "random" is: lacking definite plan, purpose or pattern.

Now you are attemprting to re-define randomness?
Ok, so go ahead and play idiotic stupid word games about things you have absolutely no clue.

Randomness is a major part of the universe.


As I pointed out EVERY F**K**G thing you have ever posted is totally and fatally wrong.

And you claimed to have made money gambling?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Now you are attemprting to re-define randomness?
Ok, so go ahead and play idiotic stupid word games about things you have absolutely no clue.

Randomness is a major part of the universe.


As I pointed out EVERY F**K**G thing you have ever posted is totally and fatally wrong.

And you claimed to have made money gambling?

I haven't redefined anything. It's you trying to foist your lie upon on us that design, purpose, intentionaly and goal-directedness comes from randomness. This random, addicental universe designed the eye to see.

Main Entry:2random
Function:adjective
Date:1565

1 a : lacking a definite plan, purpose, or pattern b : made, done, or chosen at random *read random passages from the book*
2 a : relating to, having, or being elements or events with definite probability of occurrence *random processes* b : being or relating to a set or to an element of a set each of whose elements has equal probability of occurrence *a random sample*; also : characterized by procedures designed to obtain such sets or elements *random sampling*
–ran£dom£ly adverb
–ran£dom£ness noun
synonyms RANDOM, HAPHAZARD, CASUAL mean determined by accident rather than design. RANDOM stresses lack of definite aim, fixed goal, or regular procedure *a random selection of books*. HAPHAZARD applies to what is done without regard for regularity or fitness or ultimate consequence *a haphazard collection of rocks*. CASUAL suggests working or acting without deliberation, intention, or purpose *a casual collector*.


You are your father's son who was a murderer from the beginning and the Father of Lies.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

I haven't redefined anything. It's you trying to foist your lie upon on us that design, purpose, intentionaly and goal-directedness comes from randomness. This random, addicental universe designed the eye to see.

You are attempting to find purpose and intentionality where there is none. As mentioned randomness is a major part of the universe. Screw M-W, entire sections of mathematics are devoted to randomness, chaos and disorder.

I asked you..."How's bout demonstrating how randomness and chaos are purposeful and intentional" ? Or are you now saying nothing is random?

In which case YOU ARE DEAD WRONG. I studied "hydrodynamics",
the branch of science concerned with forces acting on or exerted by fluids (especially liquids).

Ever here of turbulence?

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Main Entry:2random
Function:adjective
Date:1565

1 a : lacking a definite plan, purpose, or pattern b : made, done, or chosen at random *read random passages from the book*
2 a : relating to, having, or being elements or events with definite probability of occurrence *random processes* b : being or relating to a set or to an element of a set each of whose elements has equal probability of occurrence *a random sample*; also : characterized by procedures designed to obtain such sets or elements *random sampling*
–ran£dom£ly adverb
–ran£dom£ness noun
synonyms RANDOM, HAPHAZARD, CASUAL mean determined by accident rather than design. RANDOM stresses lack of definite aim, fixed goal, or regular procedure *a random selection of books*. HAPHAZARD applies to what is done without regard for regularity or fitness or ultimate consequence *a haphazard collection of rocks*. CASUAL suggests working or acting without deliberation, intention, or purpose *a casual collector*.

That's not one definition. It's five.

1. lacking a definite plan, purpose, or pattern
2. made, done, or chosen at random
3. relating to, having, or being elements or events with definite probability of occurrence
4. being or relating to a set or to an element of a set each of whose elements has equal probability of occurrence
5. characterized by procedures designed to obtain such sets or elements

Number two is obviously circular.

Which definition do you mean when you use the word "random?"

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

This random, addicental[sic] universe designed the eye to see.

No, it did not!

YouTube

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

You are attempting to find purpose and intentionality where there is none. As mentioned randomness is a major part of the universe. Screw M-W, entire sections of mathematics are devoted to randomness, chaos and disorder.

I asked you..."How's bout demonstrating how randomness and chaos are purposeful and intentional" ? Or are you now saying nothing is random?

In which case YOU ARE DEAD WRONG. I studied "hydrodynamics",
the branch of science concerned with forces acting on or exerted by fluids (especially liquids).

Ever here of turbulence?

YOU:
Do you think that god or evolution created the physical arrangement of our noses and ears just so to support our eyeglasses?

So, you tell me. "How's 'bout demonstrating how randomness and chaos are purposeful and intentional?" Did evolution "create" our noses and ears just to support our eyeglasses?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

That's not one definition. It's five.

1. lacking a definite plan, purpose, or pattern
2. made, done, or chosen at random
3. relating to, having, or being elements or events with definite probability of occurrence
4. being or relating to a set or to an element of a set each of whose elements has equal probability of occurrence
5. characterized by procedures designed to obtain such sets or elements

Number two is obviously circular.

Which definition do you mean when you use the word "random?"

Figure it out in the context of the dialogue. Hint I even selectively commented on a part of the definition -- the part which you have so dishonestly omitted from my post.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

No, it did not!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X1iwLqM2t0

That's what you your buddy suggested. I just repeated it. He said evolution "created" our noses and eyes for something other that to support eyeglasses. What do you think he meant?

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Figure it out in the context of the dialogue. Hint I even selectively commented on a part of the definition -- the part which you have so dishonestly omitted from my post.

Equivocation! Past experience shows that no matter which I "figure out" you will claim that's not the one you meant. Clarity is not your forte.

You also have a tactic of accusing people of saying exactly the opposite of what they actually said. You are either lying or else you need to learn what quotation marks mean.