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Old 03-22-2017, 12:01 AM   #571
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Old 03-22-2017, 12:03 AM   #572
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The people who say God is responsible for pain and suffering in the world, do not know God. I did not want to interject in your discussion with Thask, but it is not God who asks to be revered or else. It is man who puts these words in God's mouth. Men who do not know themselves or God internally as Jesus said.

I base this on my own experience and many people's story with NDE's who say they are overwhelmed on the other side with God's unconditional love. This is repeated over and over again in the NDE tales. BTW, Plato was one of the first to site an NDE and it had the same positive story about God.
You are aware that a substantial number of competent people have studied the matter and concluded that NDEs are (including the "shining light at the end of the tunnel" and "unconditional love" by some entity (or what they interpret as an entity)) little more than a survival mechanism to distract the person having the "experience," keep him or her quiet, and not betray the event to those who may have "less than the best interests of the tribe at heart." As in enemies, predators, and the like?

"Reported events" are not exactly "proof" of anything other than the subjective interpretation of some person of something that they believe "happened" to them. Accepting such reports as presented is not useful. I don't know the ratios off hand, but I would venture a guess that the number of people who believe they have been abducted by aliens considerably outnumbers those who believe they have experienced an "NDE."
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Old 03-22-2017, 12:11 AM   #573
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Good clips to choose from, I like the one where Beaver breaks his dad's car window, and magically it's brand new again......Thanks for waiting Vigors, I guess Actor either went to bed or had no answer to give at this time.
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Old 03-22-2017, 01:44 AM   #575
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Much can be learned from this.

"The Sound Of Silence"

Hello, darkness, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while I was sleeping

And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence

In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone
'Neath the halo of a street lamp
I turned my collar to the cold and damp

When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence

And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening

People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dare
Disturb the sound of silence

"Fools," said I, "You do not know:
Silence, like a cancer, grows.
Hear my words that I might teach you.
Take my arms that I might reach you."

But my words like silent raindrops fell
And echoed in the wells of silence

And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon God they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
And the words that it was forming

And the sign said,
"The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls."
And whispered in the sound of silence
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Old 03-22-2017, 01:51 AM   #576
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Much can be learned from this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4

"The Sound Of Silence"

Hello, darkness, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while I was sleeping

And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence

In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone
'Neath the halo of a street lamp
I turned my collar to the cold and damp

When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence

And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening

People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dare
Disturb the sound of silence

"Fools," said I, "You do not know:
Silence, like a cancer, grows.
Hear my words that I might teach you.
Take my arms that I might reach you."

But my words like silent raindrops fell
And echoed in the wells of silence

And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon God they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
And the words that it was forming

And the sign said,
"The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls."
And whispered in the sound of silence
At last, something worthwhile has come out of this thread. Bravo!
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Old 03-22-2017, 02:58 AM   #577
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You are aware that a substantial number of competent people have studied the matter and concluded that NDEs are (including the "shining light at the end of the tunnel" and "unconditional love" by some entity (or what they interpret as an entity)) little more than a survival mechanism to distract the person having the "experience," keep him or her quiet, and not betray the event to those who may have "less than the best interests of the tribe at heart." As in enemies, predators, and the like?

"Reported events" are not exactly "proof" of anything other than the subjective interpretation of some person of something that they believe "happened" to them. Accepting such reports as presented is not useful. I don't know the ratios off hand, but I would venture a guess that the number of people who believe they have been abducted by aliens considerably outnumbers those who believe they have experienced an "NDE."
No offense, but you sound like someone pretending to know something that you quite clearly don't from your own words. Your criticism is very cliche, superficial and somewhat senile. Here's the senile part:

I gave a link that includes thousands of archived NDE's. Yet you embarrass yourself by saying more people believe they have been abducted by aliens. You don't even educate yourself when the data is put right in front of you before opening your mouth again and sounding senile because the data already contradicts you, and you have no data, only your close minded opinion.

If you had an intelligent criticism you would have cited some of those NDE's and said this cannot be true because of this or that specific reason. Instead you paint with a broad brush your "expert" senile, close minded, baseless position. Very immature.
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Double-plus cool 'tis...

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You're equivocating again. Defining something does not imply that it exists. All I've done is define it.
But what you "defined" is sin! If you use a noun for something that is non-existent, then your definition is absurd. It makes no sense.
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The Declaration of Independence says "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." Is the Declaration of Independence heresy?
Stay focused. My post was about the need for government and the laws which governments make. Governments are instituted among men for a reason. Governments are a check against evil.
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God does not hate us all. Man says that. God speaks within you. The first organ an embryo forms is the heart. The meaning of life is love.
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God does not hate us all. Man says that. God speaks within you. The first organ an embryo forms is the heart. The meaning of life is love.
But since your god is the universe -- that is to say, he's in everything -- then this means that he has potentiality to change, as all material things do. Therefore, there is no real way in pantheism to know with certainty that your god is love; for your god is not immutable.
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God does not hate us all. Man says that. God speaks within you. The first organ an embryo forms is the heart. The meaning of life is love.
The meaning of Life is Life....Love is a by-product of Life...not its end...
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At last, something worthwhile has come out of this thread. Bravo!
What is it about this rendition that makes it really different...? There is a strange foreboding, almost angry tone to it...any ideas on the meaning of the poem, Thaskalos...? And what's up with it's appeal to a new generation...there's an odd emotional level to it that I am interested in learning more about...any clues...



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