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Viet Nam started this way, didn't it?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...?newsfeed=true
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Precisely when Obama signed the secret intelligence authorisation, an action not previously reported, could not be determined.
The full extent of support that agencies like the CIA might be providing also is unclear.
White House spokesman Tommy Vietor declined to comment.
A government source acknowledged that under provisions of the presidential finding, the US was collaborating with a secret command centre operated by Turkey and its allies.
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I thought transparency was an Obama promise.
All this with a $500 billion military budget cut looming.
Hey, Dipstick....this ain't the economy...we can't print soldiers."
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08-02-2012, 11:29 AM
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again, why is it that every secret action that this administration undertakes is made common knowledge around the world in short order?
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08-02-2012, 11:45 AM
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Is this clearly Nation-building?
I thought that was a bad thing?
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08-02-2012, 11:51 AM
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Nam , and also much like Afghanistan in the 70s/80s...
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08-02-2012, 11:54 AM
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We had a real mission then, and it paid off with the demise of the Soviet Union.
We have nothing to gain in Syria. We have no business in Syria.
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08-02-2012, 11:58 AM
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again, why is it that every secret action that this administration undertakes is made common knowledge around the world in short order?
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some blame to the Admin., but also doesn't help that we are living in the information age.
We have a foothold in the media, especially western media.
However other super powers are backing Assad. They have media, and and we all infiltrate each other's media just like we do on the ground...
a million and one problems...
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08-02-2012, 11:59 AM
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Dude is in way over his head. Armed rebellion probably wasn't covered extensively in his community organizing classes.
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08-02-2012, 12:02 PM
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We had a real mission then, and it paid off with the demise of the Soviet Union.
We have nothing to gain in Syria. We have no business in Syria.
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In that region we have opposition.
Syria is a major ally in that opposition.
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08-02-2012, 03:18 PM
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It is not like Viet Nam at all. In Viet Nam we supported the oppressive government against the rebels. In Syria we are supporting the rebels against the oppressive government.
In Viet Nam the government was our ally, while the rebels were perceived as an enemy if they took control. That did not turn out to be the case. In Syria the government is perceived as our enemy and their actions certainly confirm that perception. Should the rebels take over in Syria, their actions towards the United States could not be any worse than the actions of the Assad government, and perhaps would be better.
Finally, we don't need to print soldiers. Working in conjunction with a third party-Turkey-to provide intelligence does not equal a commitment to send troops.
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08-02-2012, 03:35 PM
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Swing and amiss.
Gee mostie, must be noisy with all those ideas sailing over your head!
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08-02-2012, 03:36 PM
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Is this clearly Nation-building?
I thought that was a bad thing?
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GWB thought nation-building was a bad thing - remember the debate with Gore? - until he became president. He had it right in the debate.
Nation-building is very fuzzy, liberal concept - is O on record opposing it? Surprises me.
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08-02-2012, 03:51 PM
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We have nothing to gain in Syria.
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You are joking right?...
Last edited by elysiantraveller; 08-02-2012 at 03:53 PM.
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08-02-2012, 04:38 PM
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the over-simplified 3 step version:
1.Libya... 2.Syria... 3.???
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08-02-2012, 04:56 PM
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Swing and amiss.
Gee mostie, must be noisy with all those ideas sailing over your head!
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A swing and a miss is thinking Viet Nam and Syria are the same. If you disagree with what I say point out where and why, If I missed one of your ideas (unlikely) it is because it was beneath my notice, not over my head.
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08-02-2012, 05:24 PM
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You are joking right?...
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Elysian, I ALMOST agree with you here. Question is, WHO are we supporting as a government. It was not that long ago, we "supported" the overthrow of the egyptian regime led by Mubarak. Everyone was assured that the brotherhood, was not going to step in and take control. In essence, we supported the BROTHERHOODS rise depending on how you perceive what EVERYONE knew would happen.
IS Assaad (sp) an asshole? Sure. But, who would fill the vaccuum? Al Queda? (sp). More of the Brotherhood?
See, it is of my opinion, and probably Tom's at this point and time that we have NO business in "nation building". It hasn't worked well in the past for us and will most likely not work in our favor in this one as well.
But yes, I understand your point that we do have valid concerns there.....question is, what does our current administration want to come of Syria???
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